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Had a friend send me pictures of a pup, and he doesn't look right to me His expected weight is 1 1/2 - 3 lbs max. He is more like a toy chihuahua. (red flags right there as there is no such thing as a 'toy chihuahua'.




 

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I am not good yet at identifying hydro, but that puppy already looks like its 1+ lbs, how old is it? T is great w/ weighs, so I could be way off but she will be closer than me haha. Bryco was smaller than that pup looks at 10 weeks, and he was around 1 lb.

Its eyes do look a little goofy, but the camera is clearly not that pup's eyes friend...so IDK.
 

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To me, the eyes also look a little weird but almost like they're sensitive to the flash? I'm not great at seeing it in pics unless it's obvious so I'm gonna say no, to me it doens't necessarily look hydro. I'd definitely want to see him in person though just because the eyes do look a little weird.
 

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His head looks prominent but I don't think it's over large it's big compared to the rest of the litter. One eye looks googley but then daisy had a squint at 8 weeks it's fine now
 

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It's hard to tell. I want to say yes, hydro, but not sure. I wonder if his eyes are always squinty like that? Does he run around, play? Are those other two pups his littermates? If so, then I'd be leaning toward saying yes. His eyes make him look unwell and ill. Does she have the pup home with her? I'd be worrying about hypoglycemia as well. He looks pooped out and lethargic in the third pic while the other pups are alert.
 

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I'm going to say that something is wrong with the little guy. He does look "head heavy," but that doesn't always mean Hydro. His eyes are kinda squinty, and glazed over. Could be the flash, hard to tell. I can also see that he has a large molera, which doesn't mean he's ill, just wanted to mention it. I would ask for more pics. Since he is half the size, and more of his litter mates, and with the questionable "look," I'd pass. I'm not sure about the 1.5 to 3 lbs. grown. He's already about 1.5 lbs. there at 8 weeks old. She is probably charting him, which can be way off at that age. Even charting them at 12 weeks can (will) be way off. In the last pic, unless that is just an off pic, there is clearly something going on. Def. not the look of a healthy 8 week old pup.
 

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That is what I told my friend, she just liked the 'tiny' factor, but I told her tiny isn't always good, and the way that pups head is shaped compared to it's littermates I would bet it has hydro. I told her if she's serious to ask the breeder for an MRI of his head :) (Which I doubt the breeder would go for). Anyways thanks for all your opinions.
 

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He's actually quite "big" for an 8 week old Chi. :wink: He could end up well over standard. But the most important thing is his health, which doesn't look to be that good. :( Bless his heart.
 

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I know...my tender heart wants to go rescue him so he can get the health care he needs. The breeder thinks he's perfectly normal. I think his littermates both look like they are like 8# already. My friend just loves Zoey so wants a 'normal' sized Chi about Zoey's size or up to 6# . I'm helping her, she's sent me lots of pictures, but so far they all look huge to me. We're both keeping up the search though.
 

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Yeah, I would say little fawn dude is def. near 8 lbs., and the other one probably 6 lbs. or so. They are some big Chi babies! They also have a very very stocky build. Like bull dogs. :lol: Poorly bred for sure. I would tell your friend to stay clear. :)

I know what you mean. It's so hard not to want to take them all in, especially when you know they have "extra" needs.

The smaller one is probably over 1.5 lbs. But that's close.
 

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It's getting tougher and tougher to find one under 6 lbs. And breeders are going crazy with their prices on the ones within standard. They are calling 6 lb. Chi's teacups these days, because they are becoming more and more rare. Sad. I had a talk with my Chi breeder friend of 30+ years, and she gave me some insight, which I already knew, on why the smaller ones are so hard to find. We also discussed how even going to a show breeder/reputable breeder that you are still looking at 4.5 to 6 lbs. mature. Which is still so tiny, but because of all the myths on Chi size and weight people just don’t get it. They expect a 5 to 6 lb. Chi to be what really is an 8 to 10 lb. Chi. I have some errands to run, and I'll share what we discussed when I come back. :) Best wishes in your search. Feel free to post pics so we can see.
 

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It's getting tougher and tougher to find one under 6 lbs. And breeders are going crazy with their prices on the ones within standard. They are calling 6 lb. Chi's teacups these days, because they are becoming more and more rare. Sad. I had a talk with my Chi breeder friend of 30+ years, and she gave me some insight, which I already knew, on why the smaller ones are so hard to find. We also discussed how even going to a show breeder/reputable breeder that you are still looking at 4.5 to 6 lbs. mature. Which is still so tiny, but because of all the myths on Chi size and weight people just don’t get it. They expect a 5 to 6 lb. Chi to be what really is an 8 to 10 lb. Chi. I have some errands to run, and I'll share what we discussed when I come back. :) Best wishes in your search. Feel free to post pics so we can see.
Heather I don't have any advice for you regarding the pup other than I do think his eyes look weird & T I cannot wait to see what you discussed with your friend! although I think I may know some of it already. :cool:

Heather I can tell you from experience it is pretty hard to find the small ones, for some reason many breeders are not honest about the sizes and weights.
 

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Sorry if this makes me sound stuopid but what do you mean by Hydro
NO stupid questions Deme. We are all learning.

Hydro is short for hydrocephalus. It is a condition of excess fluid on the brain. It comes in varying severities. It can be mild where nothing is really done for it, a moderate case would have seizures or other problems, in a severe case it could be fatal.

Here's a recent thread on it.... (and more if you use the search box here)

http://www.chihuahua-people.com/chi-chat/54644-hydrocephalus.html
 

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Lets put it this way, when I looked for Bryco, I was looking for a 10 - 12 week old puppy around 1 lb, no more than 1 lb 4 oz. Even though that "charted" him at around 3 lbs, I fully expected him to hit 5 lbs. For awhile I really wasn't sure, he was between the 2.5-3 lb charted range until he hit 22 weeks. Now he is a healthy 3 lb 10 oz boy at 7 months, and I think he will be somewhere under the 5 lb mark. If a puppy hits the 2 lb mark before 15 weeks, I just don't think its reasonable to think it will stay under 6 lbs...Oakley did, but she is a rare exception to that rule lol. Bryco's breeder almost never has a puppy go over 5.5 lbs, an I do believe this is true as I have watched their kennel over a few years, and know others who have their puppies. But getting a puppy that small does come with risks. It is easier for them to get sick, hypoglycemic, and they require more specific care. A bigger, hardier puppy easily recovers from something that might take a week or two for a smaller chi (eg one that will be under 6 lbs).
 

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If a puppy hits the 2 lb mark before 15 weeks, I just don't think its reasonable to think it will stay under 6 lbs...Oakley did, but she is a rare exception to that rule lol.
Yes, AJ was the same way, he was almost 3 pounds at 8 weeks!! and I have not weighed him a few weeks but I would put him at 4.5 pounds. He had a really really weird growth pattern for sure, did not follow ANY chart or method described, he had periods where he didn't gain an ounce and yet his body was changing.
 

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Yes, AJ was the same way, he was almost 3 pounds at 8 weeks!! and I have not weighed him a few weeks but I would put him at 4.5 pounds. He had a really really weird growth pattern for sure, did not follow ANY chart or method described, he had periods where he didn't gain an ounce and yet his body was changing.
Some pups are like that, our two are not normal I don't think though... so I try to remember it's not the norm.

Love the new name for Bijou!

I think any dog under 10 lbs is "small". Laurel at around the 11 lb mark starts to seem not so small to me, but that's just me. She also is vv. tall.
 
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