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No, unfortunately its totally accurate. I bought a massive sack of Omega. However, that soon went into the bin when I found out that they buy whatever is cheapest that week and use that as the main ingredient. One week chicken, the next soya, the next - who knows? I've switched to Royal Canin as they are consistent with their recipe.
Interestingly, apparently chicken is very cheap (through battery farming, mutation of chickens like K.F.C do - growing them with more wings etc) so (and I didnt know this until recently) when you buy budget tinned or dry food its almost certain to be chicken but flavoured to suit the "tuna" or whatevr label.
Heres the worst part, stop reading if you get upset easily......









Luckily, my uncle is a member of the european parliament and through him I did abit of digging just recently to prove a point to a friend. I have wadges of E.U reports on what can and does go into animal feeds. Honestly, it made me sick just reading it, but I visited a rendering plant as a guest of a friend who worked in one in the midlands and he delighted in showing us how bad it was so we could understand something (which I'll come to in a minute) Oh boy, I left there sweating and dizzy with nausia. What was said in that article doesnt fully convey the horror of what is being done to save money. There are government guidelines on what can go into animal feed, and its pretty much everything except some parts that can spread disease etc. The blood is processed, the fat is drained from evrything and there is this awful grinding and mashing sound all the time of the carcasses being litterally pulped. I asked him jokingly what they did with things like feathers and bones and things. Stupid question. Like I said - nothings wasted, that would be wasting money. They process evey part of the animal in some way and use it in food. VERY little is wasted. Just think about that.
Which brings me onto the really serious part - the problem with "recycling animals" is you are eating "dirty food." That Big Mac tastes good with the dressing, but you paid so little for it. How do they do it so cheap? well, they have to save money somewhere, lets get the cheapest meat. So the meat processing plants that deal with food for human consumption need to bring down their prices so they go to the cheapest farmer. My grandad was a farmer and is still living at 91 years old. He's always said how animals raised on good grass and were well maintained and bred gave the best meat. Thats sooooooo true. Because while Mr Jannor is feeding his prize herd the very best feed produced on his farm in fields that have been balanced in soil ph and all, Cheap Skate the quick buck guy is buying the cheapest feed he can get to maximise his profits. He doesnt care, why should he? Hospital waste would be better for them, in fact im suprised that it hasnt already been utilized. I dont mean that jokingly, as everything becomes more and more about making money the quality WILL suffer. So the animal eats the feed, made form a concoction of animals, gathered from all places. BTW did you know that it IS legal for maggot infested carcasses and even faeces to enter the animal food chain?! And what do you get, an animal that is malnurished and inferior, ridden with problems induced by the food and lack of proteins and nutrients. So? its cheap and thats all that matters to them. So off the animal goes, is slaughtered and later is served up to you and I in a bap. Or in the supermarket as a sausage or something. That animal is legally fit for human consumption but is it?? CJD/Mad c.o.w (darn swear filter)disease was spread to humans through beef. And it was spread through cattle - through their feed. There were STRICT rules saying what could go into animal feed, but they were ignored by some plants. All it had to take was on infected animal, into feed, then that passes into 20 animals, which we then eat. See what I mean? This is the way its been going for years, its exactly like good dog breeders and puppy mills. a good breeder with good stock concentrates on producing the best QUALITY dog, breeding out defects, screening parents for diseases, and though it isnt cheap and it isnt very profitable the end result is a fantastic specimen that will carry on the breed traits. However, the mill is only interested in profit. Maximising turnaround, it costs too much to spend time with them to socialise them, who cares? they'll be rid of them in 10 weeks, well the ones that live anyway, they just want to make room for the next 30 pups or whatever. What do you get, dogs with problems, picking up disease from their filthy kennel and pasing that onto their young. Those pups leave, if one breeds it simply dilutes the breed standard and pases on more genetic hardships.
Noticed cancer rates increasing? Alll the toxins we are eating as a result of this recycling of animals and the intensive farming using pesticides and herbicides (make crop grow faster=more money / more silage=more animal feed=more profit / animal eats gras, ingests toxins, animal slaughtered, we eat animal, we get toxins.) is a strong factor in this as independent studies have proved. Its not widely known, just as its not widely known that oil companies developed hydrogen energy years ago but will wait until global reserves are low before releasing it (hydrogen energy echange is extremely efficient which means its cheaper, but they can make more money waiting selling oil at ever increasing prices) Why dont you believe me? Because I was the same, I just refused to accept that what I had been eating for 20 years was so little like propper food. We all laugh at the sausage packet that says "80 percent meat" well there you go. I saw a packet of ten sausages for 25pence/50 cents thats cheap. Mmmmm, and having read my post now you know why.

It wont change, believe me, as long as the love of money stands higher than anything else things can only get worse. Living in Devon I am able to avoid commercial food as much as I can without it being to inconvenient. All my meat is bought from a local farmer who's a friend of the family, same with the veggies etc. I choke when I goto McDonalds with my friends, I goto the sandwhich shop down the road and get a chicken breast subway thing and rejoin them. At leats I can see whats in it. I cant take take the risk anymore, its sometimes a pain but its my health and although a Whopper with cheese is the tastiest thing evvvvvvvvvvver........(it was my fav :D ) Its not good in the long run.



I thought I was rambling for a moment, but like it or not its all one big food pyramid and guess whos at the top getting all the bad bits from lower down? Us. So in answer to your question, yes it is not exagerated, if anything I would say its tame and merely scrapes the surface of a global problem.

Sorry this post is so big, I cant really contribute to most of the things on here as I am such a newbie to chis, but this is something thats close to my heart so I hope its made a few people think about the big picture as anything happening at the bottom of the food pyramid will affect us at the top.

I'm not a paranoid old man. Although I sound it!!! :D :D
 

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I really cannot go along with the argument that because a vet reccomends it it is therefore good, and after the excellent posts made in this thread I personally have been convinced of its inferioriy.
I spoke to my vet today and was taken aback at his honesty, he told me not to buy it for Winston because he needed a more specialised diet being a chihuahua and given that he needs certain elements for his rapid growth over the next few months.
I asked him why he stocked the science plan diet, and the reply was that it was an alround compromise food, for the cost and nutritional aspect - it caters for the slow growers, the fast, the sensitive stomached the strong stomached etc. Its a compromise food enjoyed as you said the world over, but though I admire your defense of veterinarians, they want a large client base and to please everyone. Theres nothing wrong with that, but when you're talking about making a once only decision on the food that will shape your dogs health and that he will eat for the rest of his life - well, I dont want a middle ground, ho-hum food that ticks all the boxes and suits everyone. I want the food that is best suited to MY dog! When I read thru the posts on here I just ended up deciding that it wasnt what I wanted my dog to eat. Whether its good for him or not, who knows what will happen ten years down the line of ingesting it. I respect vets and their practice, but I also recognise that they have obligations too - to stay in business and continue to help and care for animals. If a more suitable product comes out I am sure they'd switch. They can only advise based on their and their global practice's knowledge of medicine and must factor in all their oblgations - that to their clients in providing for their needs, to the animals ensuring that they are catered for (in GENERAL) to their practice to keep the finances going to stay in business etc etc. I just read below that it was said that it was NOT cheaper to buy Science Plan. I think it definately IS. Not maybe the price of the food, but the overall cost in the long run (health of the dog and possible come backs, making sure they cater for all in the best way they can so they can treat more animals) In an ideasl world and if they really really wanted the best for each animal they would make up the natural diet talked of here... http://www.mashvet.com/forms/food_rating1.htm
but its just not practical and we dont live in an ideal world where to satisfy all their needs so they go with what does.

In my opinion. :wave:



This is a great thread, very very informative!!
 

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Punky you super sleuth!! I'm glad I agree with you!

I've just read it and have to say - thats the best write up I've seen! Surely a sticky for somewhere. I think any repsonsible owner would want to know what was in the food they were thinking of buying and I see many questions on asking for brand advice. Maybe with the READ before you buy you dog food or something.

I wish I'd known before I bought the big sack I've just dumped!
 

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LOL, I dont think anyones upset by what you said, I think its more like light hearted exasperation. It made me chuckle when you posted that nat, cos it had been pages of beasting certain foods and science plan and you came out in defense of science plan. i gotta respect you for reading it and using it to make your mind up :D


Aside form that, this stuck me as concurring with all thats been said so far (taken from punk's link)...

What can the feeding of such products do to your companion animal? Some veterinarians claim that feeding slaughterhouse wastes to animals increases their risk of getting cancer and other degenerative diseases. The cooking methods used by pet food manufacturers -- such as rendering, extruding (a heat-and-pressure system used to "puff" dry foods into nuggets or kibbles), and baking -- do not necessarily destroy the hormones used to fatten livestock or increase milk production, or drugs such as antibiotics or the barbiturates used to euthanize animals.
 

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well, as long as the food you cook is tailored nutritionally to your chi then thats the ultimate in chi cuisine! At least you'll know no horrors are in it! You'll have to post some recipes!!!

Welcome to the forum!

James
 
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