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While searching the web for a new pet food supplier (see I came across this horrible article. It's tells about the dog food industry. It's well worth reading!
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Ok so I went to a different pet store and I bought Nutro dog food small bites.I threw away the Science Diet...I made sure there was no By-products and corn meal.Thanks Again
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Ok so I went to a different pet store and I bought Nutro dog food small bites.I threw away the Science Diet...I made sure there was no By-products and corn meal.Thanks Again
Holly :D
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Nutro is excellent dog food, IMO. Chico ate it as a puppy and had a very smooth, healthy coat. I feed my cats NutroMax gourmet classics because it's the only cat food my Gizmo can eat without throwing up everywhere...so i think that makes it good and i'm stickin with it! :D
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Nutro is excellent dog food, IMO. Chico ate it as a puppy and had a very smooth, healthy coat. I feed my cats NutroMax gourmet classics because it's the only cat food my Gizmo can eat without throwing up everywhere...so i think that makes it good and i'm stickin with it! :D[/quote]

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Ok I'll put my flame suit on for this one, but I'll stick up for the veterinarians in regards to Science Diet, Eukaneuba, Purina, IVD, Royal Canine etc...

Doctors are scientists. They don't go by fads, media, or labels claiming "all natural" or "no by products". They make their best professional nutrition recommendations based on the research that is available regarding daily and prescription diets.

If a vet recommends a food that hasn't gone through extensive testing to a client, and the dog becomes ill and dies or becomes sick, it is the vet's fault for recommending a bad food. Therefore, a vet can only make recommendations for foods that they can scientifically vouch for and are backed up by years of research and testing that is done by other scientists and veterinary nutritionists. As far as foods that appear to be good by the label, that's all they can say or vouch for. It "sounds good". But since there's no testing, they won't put their license on the line for it, and they won't recommend you put your dog's health on the line for it either.

This same rule appies to medications. Would a veterinarian prescribe a drug that has been unapproved for medical use? Even if it has been lauded by the general public, and someone (not a doctor) has written a few articles praising it and demoting their tried and true medications? No way, that's practicing irresponsible medicine and a malpractice lawsuit in the making.

Food is much the same way.

Only a handful of companies have done the scientific testing to show the medical community that their foods are safe and contain the right balance of nutrients and ingredients. These are the companies who veterinarians have no choice but to recommend based on the information that is available.

I am sure that if some of the fad diet or organic diet companies put the time and money into the R&D that it takes to do a scientific study, that veterinarians would take them more seriously. Since they cannot market their foods through this route, they instead appeal to the general public who is always a sucker for the "all natural" "no additivies" "no by products" deal. I know I am.

So, before we all scorn our vets for promoting Science Diet, and believe that there is a big conspiracy going on, consider this: your veterinarians job is to practice good medicine and make recommendations for your pets well being based on good science. To do otherwise is NOT sound practice, and while ABC brand of dog food MAY be better, they have not put forth the effort to prove it to the medical community, so instead they go after the companies that have.

The veterinarian is not necessarily there to make money, in fact they are the lowest paid doctors of all. The pet food industry, however, IS out to make a buck. I would trust a good vet over an article I read on the web any and every day.

Thanks for listening to my 2cents.

-Nate
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Ok I'll put my flame suit on for this one, but I'll stick up for the veterinarians in regards to Science Diet, Eukaneuba, Purina, IVD, Royal Canine etc...

Doctors are scientists. They don't go by fads, media, or labels claiming "all natural" or "no by products". They make their best professional nutrition recommendations based on the research that is available regarding daily and prescription diets.

If a vet recommends a food that hasn't gone through extensive testing to a client, and the dog becomes ill and dies or becomes sick, it is the vet's fault for recommending a bad food. Therefore, a vet can only make recommendations for foods that they can scientifically vouch for and are backed up by years of research and testing that is done by other scientists and veterinary nutritionists. As far as foods that appear to be good by the label, that's all they can say or vouch for. It "sounds good". But since there's no testing, they won't put their license on the line for it, and they won't recommend you put your dog's health on the line for it either.

This same rule appies to medications. Would a veterinarian prescribe a drug that has been unapproved for medical use? Even if it has been lauded by the general public, and someone (not a doctor) has written a few articles praising it and demoting their tried and true medications? No way, that's practicing irresponsible medicine and a malpractice lawsuit in the making.

Food is much the same way.

Only a handful of companies have done the scientific testing to show the medical community that their foods are safe and contain the right balance of nutrients and ingredients. These are the companies who veterinarians have no choice but to recommend based on the information that is available.

I am sure that if some of the fad diet or organic diet companies put the time and money into the R&D that it takes to do a scientific study, that veterinarians would take them more seriously. Since they cannot market their foods through this route, they instead appeal to the general public who is always a sucker for the "all natural" "no additivies" "no by products" deal. I know I am.

So, before we all scorn our vets for promoting Science Diet, and believe that there is a big conspiracy going on, consider this: your veterinarians job is to practice good medicine and make recommendations for your pets well being based on good science. To do otherwise is NOT sound practice, and while ABC brand of dog food MAY be better, they have not put forth the effort to prove it to the medical community, so instead they go after the companies that have.

The veterinarian is not necessarily there to make money, in fact they are the lowest paid doctors of all. The pet food industry, however, IS out to make a buck. I would trust a good vet over an article I read on the web any and every day.

Thanks for listening to my 2cents.

-Nate
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I can only reply with the article by the Animal Protection Institute which clearly states they don not sell nor recommend food, only the labels to watch and ingredients. http://www.api4animals.org/79.htm They are not the pet food industry.
Also the natural foods are not fad diets this information as been out for years, I just didn't know until now.
I did ask my Vet about "better" foods and he said they're all ok :cry: I trust him with Punky for healthcare but he's not a food expert. I also included some links to Vets opinions. Anyway the links I posted are just the tip of the iceberg and none of them are new. As I've been asking others, I almost feel like I'm in the dark ages because so many others already knew this and have changed their pets. I just see no reason to take a chance with Punky çause it's gonna be hard enough when her time comes so I'll do what I can to keep her around as long as possible.
BUT I really think it's a very individual choice and my intention was to pass on what was "new"news to me. No intention to offend anyone especially a whole profession.
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ilovesadie said:
Ok I'll put my flame suit on for this one, but I'll stick up for the veterinarians in regards to Science Diet, Eukaneuba, Purina, IVD, Royal Canine etc...

Doctors are scientists. They don't go by fads, media, or labels claiming "all natural" or "no by products". They make their best professional nutrition recommendations based on the research that is available regarding daily and prescription diets.

If a vet recommends a food that hasn't gone through extensive testing to a client, and the dog becomes ill and dies or becomes sick, it is the vet's fault for recommending a bad food. Therefore, a vet can only make recommendations for foods that they can scientifically vouch for and are backed up by years of research and testing that is done by other scientists and veterinary nutritionists. As far as foods that appear to be good by the label, that's all they can say or vouch for. It "sounds good". But since there's no testing, they won't put their license on the line for it, and they won't recommend you put your dog's health on the line for it either.

This same rule appies to medications. Would a veterinarian prescribe a drug that has been unapproved for medical use? Even if it has been lauded by the general public, and someone (not a doctor) has written a few articles praising it and demoting their tried and true medications? No way, that's practicing irresponsible medicine and a malpractice lawsuit in the making.

Food is much the same way.

Only a handful of companies have done the scientific testing to show the medical community that their foods are safe and contain the right balance of nutrients and ingredients. These are the companies who veterinarians have no choice but to recommend based on the information that is available.

I am sure that if some of the fad diet or organic diet companies put the time and money into the R&D that it takes to do a scientific study, that veterinarians would take them more seriously. Since they cannot market their foods through this route, they instead appeal to the general public who is always a sucker for the "all natural" "no additivies" "no by products" deal. I know I am.

So, before we all scorn our vets for promoting Science Diet, and believe that there is a big conspiracy going on, consider this: your veterinarians job is to practice good medicine and make recommendations for your pets well being based on good science. To do otherwise is NOT sound practice, and while ABC brand of dog food MAY be better, they have not put forth the effort to prove it to the medical community, so instead they go after the companies that have.

The veterinarian is not necessarily there to make money, in fact they are the lowest paid doctors of all. The pet food industry, however, IS out to make a buck. I would trust a good vet over an article I read on the web any and every day.

Thanks for listening to my 2cents.

-Nate
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was wondering where you were hehe
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Chico's Mama said:
Hollyspup said:
Ok so I went to a different pet store and I bought Nutro dog food small bites.I threw away the Science Diet...I made sure there was no By-products and corn meal.Thanks Again
Holly :D
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Nutro is excellent dog food, IMO. Chico ate it as a puppy and had a very smooth, healthy coat. I feed my cats NutroMax gourmet classics because it's the only cat food my Gizmo can eat without throwing up everywhere...so i think that makes it good and i'm stickin with it! :D
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Is this a different Nutro? Çause it says corn gluten meal in ingredients.

Nutro Max Mini Chunk with Real Chicken & Lamb Proteins
Naturally preserved food for dogs who prefer a smaller bite size. Contains real Chicken and real Lamb proteins. All natural with vitamins and minerals. Up to 46% less backyard clean-up! Formulated for a Healthy Skin and Coat. Maintains clean teeth, fresh breath, and healthy gums. Does not contain Chicken By-Products.

Ingredients:
Chicken Meal, Wheat Flour, Ground Whole Wheat, Rice Bran, Poultry Fat (preserved with mixed Tocopherols, a source of Natural Vitamin E), Corn Gluten Meal, Ground Rice, Lamb Meal, Natural Flavors, Yeast Culture, Calcium Carbonate, Monosodium Phosphate, Potassium Chloride, Choline Chloride, Dried Buttermilk, Dried Kelp, Dried Egg Product, Lecithin, Zinc Sulfate, Iron Sulfate, Vitamin E Supplement, Iron Oxide, Garlic, Ascorbic Acid (source of Vitamin C), Biotin, Vitamin B12 Supplement, Niacin, Calcium Pantothenate, Vitamin A Supplement, Manganous Oxide, Thiamine Mononitrate (source of Vitamin B1), Vitamin D3 Supplement, Riboflavin (source of Vitamin B2), Calcium Iodate, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride (source of Vitamin B6), Menadione Sodium Bisulfite Complex (source of Vitamin K activity), Folic Acid, Copper Sulfate.

Guaranteed Analysis:
Crude Protein (minimum) 26
Crude Fat (minimum) 16
Moisture (maximum) 10
Crude Fiber (maximum) 4

Does anyone know how corn really does affect dogs as far as allergies?
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Mr Chi said:
What did you decide on switching to in the end??
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Royal Canin's Chi Formula's third ingredient is ground corn.

Which Wellness, do those of you who use it, buy for your Chi?

I found the Wee Bit in the Solid Gold.

Does anyone know if it's important that we buy small breed specific food?

Just waiting now to hear from Abundance Life if they'll ship to Puerto Rico.

At least now I have the choice down to 3. :scratch:
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punky said:
Mr Chi said:
What did you decide on switching to in the end??
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Royal Canin's Chi Formula's third ingredient is ground corn.

Which Wellness, do those of you who use it, buy for your Chi?

I found the Wee Bit in the Solid Gold.

Does anyone know if it's important that we buy small breed specific food?

Just waiting now to hear from Abundance Life if they'll ship to Puerto Rico.

At least now I have the choice down to 3. :scratch:
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Well, the thing with Nutro is I think it's a good food...the corn gluten meal isn't necessarily harmful, it's just corn is not easily digested by dogs. something helpful to remember is that the farther down the ingredient list a certain ingredient is, the less there is in it...for example: lets say a dog food lists corn gluten meal as the tenth ingredient, and there are 15 ingredients in the food. since corn gluten meal is the 10th out of 15, there really shouldn't be that much in it.

I feed Chico Wellness. I buy him the dry Super5Mix Chicken flavor. (it's in a purple bag) and i also give him the Wellness canned Chicken and Sweet Potato as a treat (thats in a purple can)

I don't think it's THAT important to buy small breed formula versus regular adult formula, because all dog foods list feeding guidelines for dogs 1-15 lbs (small dogs) but you most likely wouldn't want to feed him a Large Breed formula or anything. I have seen the Royal Canin Chihuahua28 formula but i've never given it to Chico. Theres a few people on here who do feed it to their chi's royal canin and they say really great things about the food. whats most important is that your chi likes the food you are feeding. I tried the Solid Gold Hund-N-Flocken (gold bag) with Chico and he really didn't like it, but he loves the Wellness.

I'm the same though about Chico's food...I only want the best for him. Here's a link that might be able to help you: http://www.mashvet.com/forms/food_rating1.htm It lists recommended foods..."super premium" being the highest recommended. They also talk about a "human food" diet, but having a dog on that kind of diet is A LOT of work and requires a lot of research and giving supplements...I was considering it but I really don't want to gamble with my chi's health seeing as I have never ever done anything like it before. I hope that link helps you. :D
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punky said:
I can only reply with the article by the Animal Protection Institute which clearly states they don not sell nor recommend food, only the labels to watch and ingredients. http://www.api4animals.org/79.htm They are not the pet food industry.
Also the natural foods are not fad diets this information as been out for years, I just didn't know until now.
I did ask my Vet about "better" foods and he said they're all ok :cry: I trust him with Punky for healthcare but he's not a food expert. I also included some links to Vets opinions. Anyway the links I posted are just the tip of the iceberg and none of them are new. As I've been asking others, I almost feel like I'm in the dark ages because so many others already knew this and have changed their pets. I just see no reason to take a chance with Punky çause it's gonna be hard enough when her time comes so I'll do what I can to keep her around as long as possible.
BUT I really think it's a very individual choice and my intention was to pass on what was "new"news to me. No intention to offend anyone especially a whole profession.
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Fad diets have also been around since the dark ages, but are still refered to as "fad diets" by vets because of their verbage and use of "all natural" marketing. Anyhow, I was not stirring a debate, just providing a background on why vets recommend certain diets, and not others. Believe me, there are no "kick-backs" and it is NOT cheaper for our hospital to order Science Diet vs. another brand. What IS to our advantage with science diet is that they provide free veterinary consulatations to staff veterinarians and frequently publish in medical journals regarding veterinary nutrtition research. This is a resource that is much needed, and not provided by any other means. They also continue to keep current on prescription diets to meet the needs of animals with lifetime ailments such as kidney disease, food allergy, and diabetes.

If you can trust Science Diet to make a diet correctly formulated for a dog with chronic liver disease (there are no others, by the way), why wouldn't their normal adult diets be any less trustworthy?

Again, just giving the other side so that those who are on the fence can make a better decision on what their dogs eat and the level of trust they have with their veterinarians.

-Nate
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Chico's Mama said:
punky said:
Mr Chi said:
What did you decide on switching to in the end??
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Royal Canin's Chi Formula's third ingredient is ground corn.

Which Wellness, do those of you who use it, buy for your Chi?

I found the Wee Bit in the Solid Gold.

Does anyone know if it's important that we buy small breed specific food?

Just waiting now to hear from Abundance Life if they'll ship to Puerto Rico.

At least now I have the choice down to 3. :scratch:
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Well, the thing with Nutro is I think it's a good food...the corn gluten meal isn't necessarily harmful, it's just corn is not easily digested by dogs. something helpful to remember is that the farther down the ingredient list a certain ingredient is, the less there is in it...for example: lets say a dog food lists corn gluten meal as the tenth ingredient, and there are 15 ingredients in the food. since corn gluten meal is the 10th out of 15, there really shouldn't be that much in it.

I feed Chico Wellness. I buy him the dry Super5Mix Chicken flavor. (it's in a purple bag) and i also give him the Wellness canned Chicken and Sweet Potato as a treat (thats in a purple can)

I don't think it's THAT important to buy small breed formula versus regular adult formula, because all dog foods list feeding guidelines for dogs 1-15 lbs (small dogs) but you most likely wouldn't want to feed him a Large Breed formula or anything. I have seen the Royal Canin Chihuahua28 formula but i've never given it to Chico. Theres a few people on here who do feed it to their chi's royal canin and they say really great things about the food. whats most important is that your chi likes the food you are feeding. I tried the Solid Gold Hund-N-Flocken (gold bag) with Chico and he really didn't like it, but he loves the Wellness.

I'm the same though about Chico's food...I only want the best for him. Here's a link that might be able to help you: http://www.mashvet.com/forms/food_rating1.htm It lists recommended foods..."super premium" being the highest recommended. They also talk about a "human food" diet, but having a dog on that kind of diet is A LOT of work and requires a lot of research and giving supplements...I was considering it but I really don't want to gamble with my chi's health seeing as I have never ever done anything like it before. I hope that link helps you. :D
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THANK YOU another HELPFUL link!! Since Chico didn't like Solid Gold, no reason for me to take a chance shipping it down here. So that brings me to 2 choices. Wellness and Life's Abundance. I figure this way, IF there's a chance "some" foods can possibly cause problems, why take a chance,right? Can never hurt to take precautions. I eat enough JUNK food for both of us :D
Thank You for your help!!!
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i actually don't believe science diet is a bad food !!! it's recommended by vets in the whole world :shock: that site comes over on me as one big ADVERTISEMENT (although i would like to buy it :wink: ) so all the foods are bad and that is the wonderfood :roll:

i know one thing for sure ....it will take a long time to get me eating a big-mac or a sausage again ....bweek , i don't eat a lot of meat because i'm a bit wary of it ....but now i have it massive again ....yak yak yak

ps i'm not throwing my science diet away that's for sure !!!!!

ps 2 ; is it really possible to let a dog get 25 years old ??

kisses nat

edited because i changed article into site ...as that's what i meant :D
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i actually don't believe science diet is a bad food !!! it's recommended by vets in the whole world :shock: that article comes over on me as one big ADVERTISEMENT (although i would like to buy it :wink: ) so all the foods are bad and that is the wonderfood :roll:

i know one thing for sure ....it will take a long time to get me eating a big-mac or a sausage again ....bweek , i don't eat a lot of meat because i'm a bit wary of it ....but now i have it massive again ....yak yak yak

ps i'm not throwing my science diet away that's for sure !!!!!

ps 2 ; is it really possible to let a dog get 25 years old ??

kisses nat
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i wasn't implying that science diet was gonna basically kill any dog that eats it, i was just trying to explain that it has certain ingredients in it aren't really that good for dogs and that a few people i know that fed it to their dogs ended up having to take them to the vet with skin allergies.

after educating myself about the importance of quality ingredients and the fact that feeding certain foods can actually help dogs live a little longer, i decided to stear clear of any dog food with by-products, BHA/BHT, ethoxyquin, things like that.

"so all the foods are bad and that is the wonderfood :roll:"
I wasn't implying that all dog foods are bad or harmful and that the foods i'm suggesting are perfect or anything, but if someone asks for my advice on a quality pet food, i'm definitely not going to recommend one with by-products or a ton of fillers in it. i just prefer a dog food with ingredients in it that would be good enough for people to eat.

Punky is considering buying her dog the same food I feed my dog and she asked me about it, so i answered her. i wasn't trying to imply that it's the "wonderfood." :lol: there are TONS of pet foods out there which have no soy, fillers, wheat, by-products, etc. and i was just suggesting those to Punky because she asked for advice.

everyone has their own opinions on "quality" dog food. i choose not to go by what vets tell me, i instead educate myself on the matter and go with what i feel is best and what my dog likes. :wave:
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I really cannot go along with the argument that because a vet reccomends it it is therefore good, and after the excellent posts made in this thread I personally have been convinced of its inferioriy.
I spoke to my vet today and was taken aback at his honesty, he told me not to buy it for Winston because he needed a more specialised diet being a chihuahua and given that he needs certain elements for his rapid growth over the next few months.
I asked him why he stocked the science plan diet, and the reply was that it was an alround compromise food, for the cost and nutritional aspect - it caters for the slow growers, the fast, the sensitive stomached the strong stomached etc. Its a compromise food enjoyed as you said the world over, but though I admire your defense of veterinarians, they want a large client base and to please everyone. Theres nothing wrong with that, but when you're talking about making a once only decision on the food that will shape your dogs health and that he will eat for the rest of his life - well, I dont want a middle ground, ho-hum food that ticks all the boxes and suits everyone. I want the food that is best suited to MY dog! When I read thru the posts on here I just ended up deciding that it wasnt what I wanted my dog to eat. Whether its good for him or not, who knows what will happen ten years down the line of ingesting it. I respect vets and their practice, but I also recognise that they have obligations too - to stay in business and continue to help and care for animals. If a more suitable product comes out I am sure they'd switch. They can only advise based on their and their global practice's knowledge of medicine and must factor in all their oblgations - that to their clients in providing for their needs, to the animals ensuring that they are catered for (in GENERAL) to their practice to keep the finances going to stay in business etc etc. I just read below that it was said that it was NOT cheaper to buy Science Plan. I think it definately IS. Not maybe the price of the food, but the overall cost in the long run (health of the dog and possible come backs, making sure they cater for all in the best way they can so they can treat more animals) In an ideasl world and if they really really wanted the best for each animal they would make up the natural diet talked of here... http://www.mashvet.com/forms/food_rating1.htm
but its just not practical and we dont live in an ideal world where to satisfy all their needs so they go with what does.

In my opinion. :wave:



This is a great thread, very very informative!!
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xx-nathalie-xx said:
i actually don't believe science diet is a bad food !!! it's recommended by vets in the whole world :shock: that article comes over on me as one big ADVERTISEMENT (although i would like to buy it :wink: ) so all the foods are bad and that is the wonderfood :roll:

i know one thing for sure ....it will take a long time to get me eating a big-mac or a sausage again ....bweek , i don't eat a lot of meat because i'm a bit wary of it ....but now i have it massive again ....yak yak yak

ps i'm not throwing my science diet away that's for sure !!!!!

ps 2 ; is it really possible to let a dog get 25 years old ??

kisses nat
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http://www.api4animals.org/79.htm
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Punky you super sleuth!! I'm glad I agree with you!

I've just read it and have to say - thats the best write up I've seen! Surely a sticky for somewhere. I think any repsonsible owner would want to know what was in the food they were thinking of buying and I see many questions on asking for brand advice. Maybe with the READ before you buy you dog food or something.

I wish I'd known before I bought the big sack I've just dumped!
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wow :D :D i didn't react on somebody's post ...so people don't take it personal :D

as someone said everybody their own opinion ......i read the article and went to the site ...and that's my opinion. so nobody has to feel attacked :wink:

kisses nat
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punky said:
xx-nathalie-xx said:
i actually don't believe science diet is a bad food !!! it's recommended by vets in the whole world :shock: that article comes over on me as one big ADVERTISEMENT (although i would like to buy it :wink: ) so all the foods are bad and that is the wonderfood :roll:

i know one thing for sure ....it will take a long time to get me eating a big-mac or a sausage again ....bweek , i don't eat a lot of meat because i'm a bit wary of it ....but now i have it massive again ....yak yak yak

ps i'm not throwing my science diet away that's for sure !!!!!

ps 2 ; is it really possible to let a dog get 25 years old ??

kisses nat
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http://www.api4animals.org/79.htm
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plus i don't said i don't believe the article !! if you read my post ...you could see i DO believe it :D
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LOL, I dont think anyones upset by what you said, I think its more like light hearted exasperation. It made me chuckle when you posted that nat, cos it had been pages of beasting certain foods and science plan and you came out in defense of science plan. i gotta respect you for reading it and using it to make your mind up :D


Aside form that, this stuck me as concurring with all thats been said so far (taken from punk's link)...

What can the feeding of such products do to your companion animal? Some veterinarians claim that feeding slaughterhouse wastes to animals increases their risk of getting cancer and other degenerative diseases. The cooking methods used by pet food manufacturers -- such as rendering, extruding (a heat-and-pressure system used to "puff" dry foods into nuggets or kibbles), and baking -- do not necessarily destroy the hormones used to fatten livestock or increase milk production, or drugs such as antibiotics or the barbiturates used to euthanize animals.
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:D :D i noticed you guys take this really by heart !! but i think the site and the science diet doesn't interact with eachother :? i don't believe science diet is made from maggot infested carcasses .......
i try to give my dogs the best foods possible ........ i didn't see a better one here anyway ..;we don't have nutro or life abond.. etc .
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