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While searching the web for a new pet food supplier (see I came across this horrible article. It's tells about the dog food industry. It's well worth reading!
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xx-nathalie-xx said:
:oops: :oops: oops didn't saw it :wink: does she has a website or only the telephone number?

kisses nat
You can click on the link and see all the info and then see if there's another link specifically for Belgium. I have to run but will check back later to see if you found one. :wave:
xx-nathalie-xx said:

and mr chi ...if you think we've been slugging it out haven't been around the forum for long :D this is nothing.... just a conversation we disagree on ..

but i agree food for my dogs ,can never be good enough maybe i will order something when i find a site that ships overseas :wave:

kisses nat
Awwwww I'm glad you feel that way too Nathalie, would never want to offend. It was a good round of discussion for me, not a battle. :)
xx-nathalie-xx said:
:oops: :oops: oops didn't saw it :wink: does she has a website or only the telephone number?

kisses nat
Iwas just looking, can't even find the site i originally had for Belgium now :? But i did click here and read more and this guy is has done the same as the Vet for Life's Abundance.
xx-nathalie-xx said:
yeah chico's mama i meant brands that are fabricated for shops and that are very cheap . i didn't know how to phrase it ....and i can't name one because they are called differently here :wink:

punky i went on that site too , but they don't ship overseas :cry:

kisses nat
What about the telephone number they give for Belgium? That website is in the UK.
ilovekeiki said:
Just wondering everyone, but what kind of food DO you feed your babies? I was told eukanuba was really good, but i am thinking about the all human food diet. The only thing holding me back is chis need so many nutrients how would i get them all to her? But mainly my question is what food do you guys recommend? and is eukanuba good?
Go back and read this whole thread and you will have ALOT (maybe too much info :D) I am now stopping Ekanuba for Punky because it is made with animal by-products not the meat itself and has a lot of chemicals. As you can read in the thread, I would recommend, Solid Gold, Wellness or Life's Abundance. In Europe; Burns. I did hours and hours of web reading and searching to come to this conclusion, so you may want to do the same research.
But do read this thread from the beginning for lots of opinions!!!!
The thread "What do your Chi Puppies Eat"is discussing this again, anyway, someone over there says Burns is really good so I hope you found it Nat!!
bstrobes said:
Ok, I've just spent way too much time while at work reading this thread. I live in the US. It seems like everyone seems to agree that the Wellness brand is the best. Is that in the US? If not,, what's a good one in the US? I know Petsmart sells Royal Canin, but I see where some of you said it's still not quite as good as Wellness. I want to get the best for my kids. Thanks ya'll!
Yes it's in the USA, as someone else earlier suggested it can be ordered online from OR if you go to their site you can search by your zipcode to find a retailer.
Don't forget to check out healthy snacks. I just threw most of mine in the trash 'cause they were full of corn meal (hard to digest and possible food allergies) but mostly because they all had chicken or beef by-products.[/b]
I just posted this over on "what does your Chi eat?". But since it was discussed so much here, I thought I should post it here as well :) :

Finally made my choice, I settled on Wellness, I ordered the chicken one and also the fish and sweet potato one to give her a little variety.
Plus I ordered a bunch of the biscuits and treats as well. So glad that's settled!
Chico's Mama said:
glad ya finally settled on a food :wink: just make sure when you make the switch between your chi's old food and the new food that you do it gradually. you don't want her to get sick.
Oh my gosh! I am so glad you reminded me of that. I was going to throw the other out as soon as it arrived! Thank You so much :cheers:
ilovesadie said:
Just because Eukaneuba contains by-products does not mean it is not a good diet for your dog. Punky, I appreciate your passion for all natural dog foods, but going against a veterinary nutritionist's recommendations is something that I cannot endorse. Bashing foods made by major companies with scientific research backing based on your own research is also not necessary.

I too feed Wellness to my dogs, but I don't preach it as the be all to end all dog foods, nor do I scorn any food that has ingredients that are "sub-par". I would trust Science Diet or Eukaneuba or IVD or VMD or Waltham to provide the right balance of nutrients and appropriate protein sources for everday dog foods. Afterall, these companies also produce specialized diets for liver, kidney failure, urinary problems, diabetes, allergies, and weight loss. If their basic diets cannot be trusted, why are their prescription diets also approved and trusted by so many doctors? The FDA's CVM works with AAFCO to develop standards for nutrtition, and in order to be certified, manufacturers must first show they meet these standards scientifically, and then back it up with appropriate testing. Beward of foods that say they "fit the AAFCO profile" for nutrition. This does not mean they are certified.

Here is a link from the FDA:

A good article by a veterinarian about pet food labels:

Why do I feed Wellness/Natural Balance then?
My dogs love it, and I would rather them eat than not eat at all. From the ingredients and experience, Wellness appears to be a great food. But I say appears because it hasn't been tested. This means my dogs are the lab rats, but it's a risk at this point that I have been forced to take.

Several "MYTH'S" Taken from (written by veterinary nutritionists) with regards to pet diets:

Pet Food Myths

Homemade diets are nutritionally better and healthier than commercially prepared foods.

Unless properly formulated by a nutritionist, diets made at home are not likely to be nutritionally complete and balanced. The nutritional profile of any diet—including homemade diets—depends on how the recipe was formulated, the nutrient content of the ingredients, and how the owner prepares the diet. Homemade diets may also contain contaminants and food-borne microbes if the owner is not as careful as he or she is about his or her own foods.

Federally regulated, commercially prepared foods have processing methods and quality assurance programs that limit the potential of food-borne illnesses in pets and offer guarantees, a nutritional profile, and bioavailability.

Preservatives cause cancer and other diseases.

There is no scientific evidence to support the often repeated claim that preservatives cause cancer. In fact, just the opposite may be true, as preservatives added to pet foods can help prevent the formation of cancer-causing compounds.

Do ingredients really matter to pets?

To most of the pets consuming commercially prepared pet foods... NO! The final nutrient profile of a pet food is most important factor in meeting your pet’s daily nutritional needs. If the food meets your pet’s nutrient profile, it does not matter whether the sources of those nutrients are beef, chicken or soybean. The liver does not care whether it is receiving the necessary essential amino acids for protein synthesis from chicken by product meal, tofu, or a protein hydroslate.

The ingredients do however affect taste. The very best nutrient profile is of no use if the animal will not consume the food. Most pets do not refuse most foods: look at the incidence of obesity in our pet population. Most pet foods are designed to be very palatable because repeat sales of pet food are for the most part dependent upon the owner thinking the pet “likes” the food. This “race” for the most palatable food in the market is in part responsible for the most common nutritional problem in pets... obesity.

Do ingredients really matter to pet owners?

Yes, apparently they do. The pet food marketing teams are playing that card for all it’s worth and in any direction necessary to make a sale, hence the importance of naming the product. Also note the advertising statements that a product “does not contain soy, corn, or wheat”; such statements imply there is something wrong with these ingredients and hence the foods containing them. In fact, there are no problems associated with these ingredients unless your pet demonstrates allergic reactions to them.

When does the ingredient list really matter?

Knowing the ingredient list only really matters when a pet has a food “allergy,” better described as food hypersensitivity. The incidence of true food hypersensitivity in the dog and cat population is not exactly known, but several published studies estimate the incidence to be less than 10%.

Pet foods contain fat and fat-soluble vitamins that readily oxidize when exposed to air. Fat oxidation produces toxic compounds called peroxides that can disrupt cell membranes—and loss of cell membrane integrity has been linked to some types of cancer. Preservatives protect the fat and vitamins from oxidizing in the presence of air.

Those of you who know me know that I go by tried, true, scientific facts and recommendations by doctors. 2 things are certain:
1. Doctors do NOT recommend home-cooking meals for dogs without the consulation of a veterinary nutritionist to formulate a specialized and
ingredients for your animal.
2. Doctors do NOT recommend foods produced by companies that have not PROVEN their foods are safe or include the right balance of nutrients and appropriate protein sources. Following an AAFCO profile (as in the case with Wellness, Solid Gold, etc...) is a good thing, but AAFCO certification is even better, and a recommendation by a veterinarian is the best.
Thank you for your input. I guess at this point I feel better feeding Punky food with natural ingredients and not all the other mixed in stuff.

I do have a question for you though. I ordered the chicken and the fish with sweet potatoes. I guess that was wrong since the fish can be a problem according to prior posting from;quote:
Originally posted by luv4mygirls
be careful introducing ingredients such as fish, venisen, lamb, duck ect. they are consider allergy foods and should only be given if there is a chicken/beef/turkey allergy. if you introduce the other foods they could work up an intolerance to those protiens as well.....

So I guess I should cancel the fish. Can't we give a variety just like people do when they feed wet food? And also what about Lee who is cooking her dogs food and giving choices? Her dog is OK with the different foods including fish. See below post;

You know, seriously, it is not that much work. I suppose it helps that both my husband and I really love to cook. Here's what we do: We usually just set aside a portion of whatever we are going to cook for ourselves (say, chicken, fish, steak) and we prepare it with out oil and no frying- either on the grill or baked or boiled. Then we add carrots (she flips out for carrots) and some kind of carb, like pasta or rice, mix it all together and that is her food for the next day. Sometimes we will just prepare something ahead of time and keep a big batch in the fridge for her. I just made her a pasta salad...tri-clored rotini, tuna, carrots and chick peas...cut it all up and there is a batch for her and a slightly more complicated version for my husband and me.

I do occasionally give Carlota Nutri-Cal (a nutrient supliment...shhhh, she thinks it is just a yummy treat), but I think the food she eats is pretty nutritious.

I am sure that everyone here cares tremendously about what their dogs are eating (no "alpo" hehehe). In fact, I am so glad to be in the company of others who love their chihuahuas soooooo much. Carlota was a finicky eater from the get go and I had heard and read that many chihuahuas are. I tried several premium brands of dog food and she hated them all. In fact, the only one she seemed to like was the one they had been feeding her at the pet shop (puppy mill, that's a whole different story) where I got her and that was worse than I just took matters into my own hands.
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ilovesadie said:
The whole idea with the danger of various protein sources is that there is not really that they will develop a food allergy, it has to do more with the availbility of these protein sources.

Currently, the vast population of dogs feed on foods that are mainly chicken, and beef product (and recently lamb). Many times, the food allergies that dogs have involve the protein source, which is why foods like IVD have diets like rabbit, duck, venison. They are not "allergy diets" per se, but instead have ingredients that from different sources than normal dog foods.

Now is feeding your dog food that has fish, or duck in it bad for them? No, not really, in fact it's quite nice to have a variety of protein sources in the diet. Mandy is right, it does increase the possibility of a food allergy, but you will know if it does cause one.

Why is feeding your dog a variety of protein sources bad? It's not really bad for your dog if they aren't allergic, in fact it may be good. But it's bad in the long run for other dogs. The only reason (I've asked a dozen vet nutritionists this question) is that there is only so much availability of protein sources out there, with chicken, beef, and lamb being the most available. If dogs without allergies consume all the other protein sources like duck, rabbit, and venison, there may not be much supply left to feed those with allergies. In addition, if dogs are exposed to all of these protein sources and become allergic by continued exposure, what protein source will be left to feed these dogs? We'll have to start looking elsewhere for meat like Kangaroo, horse, pork, etc...

Hopefully that makes a little sense. This is why many of the alternative protein foods are prescription only, to make sure that the protein sources are not wasted on dogs without allergy.

I think that a little fish mixed in with the other protein sources can be a great addition to the diet since Omega-3's are key, but I wouldn't switch them to an all duck or rabbit diet just for the heck of it.

If you have any other questions, ask your vet about it or I can try to answer them.

Thank You again! Are you a Veternarian or student Vet ?(thought I read something way back about you both being students)
I will talk to my Vet, problem is I live in Puerto Rico and there isn't any natural food product for dogs here. I had to order online. I asked him once briefly a year ago about food and he said they're about the same. The breeder had fed Punky Ekanuba and my Vet sold it so I just stuck with it. She's over 16 months old and still on puppy food. So it's time to change. He wanted her on puppy food until a year old because he said she's small. But there aren't many Chi's on the Island so experience is different here and I don't think she's so small. A Vet in the States, while I was visiting, said he didn't agree and to change her to Adult food. I didn't, think it mattered enough to make my Vet feel second guessed so I just let it be, since she seems really healthy. Anyway he's very competent and he's great so I'll go have a chat with him. Maybe I can help bring some other products to the Island.
My experience is in the Human medical field and I know medical professionals can get a bit huffy when challenged.

Thank you again, you've explained things clearly and taken a lot of time to do so.

PS I guess Pinky will get chicken and fish choices then, so she thanks you too!!
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