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I have mentioned in a couple posts that we've been going to the vet with Eddy ( my red male) quite frankly it's got me and the vets all baffled. I'm hoping maybe one of you might have run across or heard about this before.

Ed seemed to be in pain occassionally throughout the late spring/early summer ( especially after he ate) I took him to the vet and she said she suspected he had a back problem and gave him prednesone and robaxin
and perscribed rest for him. It worked for a while but three weeks later we were back at the vets ( and my vet had moved to another city and not told anyone of her patients)

So anyway we had another vet who looked at the exrays and bloodwork from before and said she still suspected a back problem. She tried a different medication for Eddy and said to let me know how it worked.

Well with both treatments Ed seemed a lot better... except.. that every time he eats his stomach gets hard and he is in pain and distress for about 1 1/2 hours - 2 hours!! He actually yelps and cries pretty loudly during these sessions!! It just breaks my heart!!

The second medication diidn't really help him at all so he went back on the prednesone and robaxin, they seem to work best. He prances around the house like his old self then right after he eats he feels a bit punky... but no where near as bad.

So back to the vet we go again and I insist there must be another problem because the pain is only after he eats. We have ruled out IBS already as he has no other symptoms ( that's what has the vets baffled!) He has no diarrhea... his movements are normal. He has no vomitting... nothing else at all.. just the hard tummy and pain! :? ( I even phoned another holistic vet in another city and discussed the case with her and she's stumped too)

So we made an appointment to take him the the Vet College in Saskatoon for tests and Ultrasound as these guys are specialists ( they have people referred to them from across Canada) So anyway two vets and a surgeon are looking at him there. They all said it was because he had a back problem! Here we go again!! So I said yes I agree that he has a bad back... we established that part already.. BUT... why does it only bother him after he eats?? No answer to that.. so I actually had to insist he be given the ultra sound because all they wanted to talk about was a $3000 back surgery and therapy for afterwards.

So to try to make a long story shorter... Eddy had the ultra sound. His stomach is fine... his liver and gallbladder are fine. They could find no reason for any of his problems. The only thing that concerns me ( and apparently not them at all :eek: ) Is that they did see a little mass/shadow
that might have been a lymphnode or his adrenal gland.. it was hard to tell and by that time Ed was so tired he was like a limp doll in my arms ( we started tests etc at about 11:30 am and this was almost 4:30 so poor guy was pooped!) The vets in Saskatoon all agreed that it was nothing to wory about but I'm not convinced.

So poor Ed continues as he is on prednesone and robaxin once a day to keep him comfy ( oh yes and a doggy approved antacid to protect his tummy a bit) So he is functioning finne this way but I really want to find the problem!!

Can any of you shed some light on this??
 

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I don't have a clue as to what it might be, however prednisone can cause liver problems if taken for long periods of time.
Just an FYI so it doesn't cause you more problems.

Did they try putting him on a prescription diet?
If his tummy is getting hard, that would seem to me to be a gas build up.
Couldn't they do an ultra sound immediatly after he eats to see what is going on?
 

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The vets did tell me about the problems with Prednisone but the way they made it sound to begin with was that the damage could occur very quickly ( a few months I thought) Then when we said we were keeping him on to keep him comfortable for now... the vet told us " oh yes we have several dogs on long term- 4-6 years!! :shock:

I don't believe it is his food for two reasons... he is on homemade dog food for one... the other is for about two weeks he was on a bland rice diet with a very tiny bit of dog food in it... and even that set him off...
It's a real conundrum!!
 

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I sure wish I could offer you something - anything. I agree with doing an ultrasound after he eats to see what's going on in his tummy. Even if it's not the food itself there is obviously a relationship between the intake of food and the hardness and pain of the tummy. At least you've been successful in providing some temporary relief but I'd want to get to the bottom of it too.

Poor little guy. :cry:
 

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That's really odd, especially since nothing showed up in xrays.

Is his stomach bloating when it gets hard - as if he's got bloat? That would make me think it was more digestive than if his stomach wasn't getting bloated when it hardens.

You've got a stumper there!! I can see how the vets are confused. I'm guessing they ruled out things like excessive gas ... how small do you cut up his meat and everything in his homemade food? Maybe he's just unable to digest the larger pieces at first, making him uncomfortable? Could it be the rice in the food? I wonder if he'd have the same reaction of you put it in the food processor and chopped it up really fine or even pureed it.

Now I'm confused too. I am really curious to see what the next set of doctors say. I hope for both you and Ed's sake it isn't anything too serious... I'm going to hope for gas! :)
 

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The vets did tell me about the problems with Prednisone but the way they made it sound to begin with was that the damage could occur very quickly ( a few months I thought) Then when we said we were keeping him on to keep him comfortable for now... the vet told us " oh yes we have several dogs on long term- 4-6 years!! :shock:

I don't believe it is his food for two reasons... he is on homemade dog food for one... the other is for about two weeks he was on a bland rice diet with a very tiny bit of dog food in it... and even that set him off...
It's a real conundrum!!
Well in my opinion those dogs that have been on predisone for 4-6 years must have something seriously wrong with them that would outweigh the danger of leaving them on it.
I would certainly be suspicious of any vet that told me it was ok to leave my dog on pred for even a couple of months. It can cause bloating by itself.

I do know that it takes at least 30 days for any food to be completly out of a dogs system. When dogs get food allergies you have to stay on the new diet for 1 to 2 months to see if the new diet does not contain what ever the dog was allergic to.

I really wish you luck and hope your little boy gets better.
 

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I wonder if he'd have the same reaction of you put it in the food processor and chopped it up really fine or even pureed it.
Yes actually all the meat and veggies do get put through a blender before being mixed in the " cookies" with the other ingredients. Both my dogs have been on the homemade dog food for over four years so I would have thought an allergy would have shown up by now.

I haven't given up trying to find his problem... I really don't like the idea of him being on the prednisonne very much either. I am very meticulous about giving him the perscribed antacid with it so that it does cause any other tummy problems.

Ed doesn't have a hard tummy when on the prednisonne... but he does when not taking any meds... they did rule out bloat though... as I read a lot about it and had suspected that at one point also... they said the ultra sound ruled that out as everything looked fine. It's maybe going to be one for the text books I think!
 

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I just reread your first post ... I didn't realize the vets at the college had already looked at him! Now I'm even MORE curious! LOL

Did they explain how having a bad back would cause stomach problems to occur? And did they totally rule out plain old fashioned gas? You talked about IBC and all but maybe he's just gotta burp or something.

We have to go into the vet with OmaKitty next week and I'm going to ask my vet what she would look for in that instance. See if she can come up with something.

I'm so sorry Ed's uncomfortable and you're worried but I'm really intrigued now.. it definitely IS a mystery!
 

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This is probably not the cause and you're all gonna laugh at me, but maybe it's a stomach ulcer? I know it's probably not (do dogs even get them?) the vets would have picked it up, but just a thought!

I hope you find out what the problem is. It's really irritating if something wrong with your stomach. I had IBS and was afraid to eat. Poor thing! Good luck!
 

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The ultra sound didn't pick up any ulcers or lesions in his tummy... I did ask about that at the time too. I'm just baffled as baffled can be because everything I thought of to ask the vet during the ultra sound came up clear too.

I did have him on slippery elm and Milk thistle for IBS just in case but it didn't help at all.
 
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