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he went for the judge it has been super hot today and he was real tired maybe that got to him he was fine then as soon as she looked at his teeth he got angry and growled the judge has only just started out and she held his gum up for ages he wernt a happy bunny but then to top it all she poked him twice real hard where his stop is all well and good but she done it real hard then he flipped and decided if your going to hurt me im gonna bite you luckily he didnt then i put him on the mat to walk he done it fine but as soon as she walked near him he flipped and flew into the air at her i was so shocked!! :oops: i told him no and he was fine with everyone else at the club arnt dogs strange they seem to suss out who they dont lke!
 

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my boss used to show and breed chow's and she said that it doesn't matter what the judge does, they get poked, probed and touched all over and they can not under any circumstances appear annoyed at the handling or try to bit. no offense or anything but you shouldn't be making excuses for this behavior (heat, poked too ahrd ect.) i'm not sure about there but over here if the dog bites they aren't given many chances and then that dog is eventually banned from showing. and even just lunging at the judge while in line makes the judge think twice about selecting him as a winner.
 

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my boss used to show and breed chow's and she said that it doesn't matter what the judge does, they get poked, probed and touched all over and they can not under any circumstances appear annoyed at the handling or try to bit. no offense or anything but you shouldn't be making excuses for this behavior (heat, poked too ahrd ect.) i'm not sure about there but over here if the dog bites they aren't given many chances and then that dog is eventually banned from showing. and even just lunging at the judge while in line makes the judge think twice about selecting him as a winner.
:wink: Bad day Mandy? that reads pretty harsh...

About Jacob: BAD BOY!!! I know how it is Stinky gets that way when is hot and he's tired...other than that he lets EVERYTHING happen to him...just keep practicing and working on it cause after all there will always be hot days and judges that poke... :wink:
 

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hiya yeah it does read pretty hard luv4mygirls but in away you do have a point i think what you say is really right as to a judge thats how they may think and well at the end of the day they are the judges arent they and they have to go by only what they see, and if they do see him biting/snappy then they will mark him down and get a lil peed by it BUT thats only because they dont know jacob fully and they can only go by the way he is with them for that few momtns harsh but true. have you thought maybe the showing is getting to much for him and it might not be for him anymore??? because i mean i know with the heat and all but isnt this the second time hes done it maybe his showing days are over and he cant cope with it? i dont wanna affend you im just suggesting thats all.
 

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:shock: It does read pretty harsh, but Mandy does have a point. Show dogs are supossed to put up with a lot of BS and not show it. But if she poked him hard enough to piss him off or hurt him I would bite her too :lol:
 

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sometimes owners don't realize they are enabling bad behavior, the first time she said that he snapped and thought it was cause of a female that was in season and made his behavior change, and now hot weather and a too rough poke. i didn't mean for it to sound too harsh. i appologize if i offended. but the whole reason she shows jacob is that they have fun doing it and it makes me wonder if he is no longer having fun.....
 

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I have to agree with Mandi... I think that if this is to hapen again I would try to figure out what is the real underlying reason for it...

I do believe that if showing him is suppose to be fun for both the owner and the dog then he should stand there and take any of the heat or being poked....

I do not mean to come across harsh or sound like I am being mean but I do believe there might be a serious reason he is snapping.. The first time might be a chance happening but doing it the second time tells me something is not right...

Good luck and God bless
 

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:wink: ladies, yes you have very good points...accidents happen right??? is not like he does it every show, and to accuse somebody of making excuses is harsh...besides, even humans can only last happy for so long...you can have fun ALL morning and by the end of the day you're beat..you can't keep a smile on...and we even bite too..so I see why is no difference for animals...I agree it should be fun..but out of two incidents I don't see how there's a suggestion that she's forcing him or he doesn't like it anymore he's a pup..he only needs training... :D that's all i'm gonna say on the subject...
 

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thanks vala wow didnt expect it to get this heated one thing i do know is he does have fun he loves it and when he hears me getting his lead to go to show training he sits at the door pineing he really does love it there and that is evident by the way he shows i understand what you are all saying if a dog bites he/she should not be shown but fact it jacob has a ball when he is in that ring she did poke him real hard a few people said that for such a small dog i for one know if some1 poked me in the head like that id flip!! he didnt bite he just growled to let off a warning as if to say dont hurt me like that! all your comments are welcome you would have to see him and how excited he gets when he knows he is going showing to understand how much the little lad enjoys it.
 

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I understand the previous comments made. But surely if a person hurts an animals then the animal will react, and if not then definately will not like the person thats hurt them. The judge was inexperienced. Vicki have you thought about putting a complaint in about her poking little Jacob so hard in the head? I dont know if its the 'done thing' in the showing world as i havent shown. Good luck with him hes a gorgeous little boy :D
 

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What everyone is trying to say is that when a dog reacts badly in the ring twice (even with provocation) then you have to look for the underlying cause. Either he is being too rushed and stressed getting there or he's getting too much attention by other people when he isn't in the ring and that's stressing him or he's picking up on your stress and reacting. You are going to have to change something to get him to relax and enjoy it for him to be successful. With Marcus my problem was the opposite, he thought he had found a huge playpen so he ran and barked and lunged and tried to play (still made a lousy impression) but he does seem to be getting the idea it's something he has to behave to do.
 

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All I was trying to say is if it happens again she needs to try to figure out if there is a reasoon that she doesn't know.. Like if he is snapping because he is being touched in the mouth.. he might have a problem with his moutth... you all know that a dog wouldn't snap at somebody if he was not in pain..... I am not trying to cause a problem here.. I am just trying to thinking of the whole picture....

Yeah I can have fun all day and at the end of the day be tired.. but If I am only tired I will not try to bite somebody for touching me....

I know that he is young.. that is why I am trying to give chihuahua-lady information that she might not be looking at...

for example I tried to pick Gadget up one time after he got his shot and I touched the spot where he had gottent he shot and he growled and snapped at me... but then I realized the real reason he was snapping...

I am not trying to say she is forcing him to do this... I want her to think about maybe there might be a medical problem there....

yes a dog snapping 2 times at a judge ios not usually a good thing... If it were me and Gadget I surely would re think about where the judge poked him and maybe check to make sure he is not bruised there... If the judge did poke him too hard he might have a bruise that chihuahua-lady might not know is there..... geee I want Jacob to be happy I just want to help chihuahu-lady figure out why he is doing this... so it might be prevented in the future....

Tinker, you said it perfectly..... there is always a reason for everything.. we might not know every reason but in this case I think it is inportant that chihuahua-lady figure it out...

I am not saying chihuahua-lady is doing something to harm jacob... I am just trying to help her figure it out....

Didn't try to make this become heated in any way...

good luck and God bless
 

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and i'm just saying that the first time he snapped and acted agressively there wasn't any "poke" to provoke him. and talking to my boss i am learning a lot about showing and it's not acceptable behavior. and i'm also speaking from the point of view of someone that's been biten by a person's "friendly dog who was hot and tired." and the next time it happened the same "friendly dog was just cranky cause he was hungry....."



and no i wasn't having a bad day yesterday and i'm not having one today. why is it if others (no names mentioned) speak their minds very openly no matter who agrees with them or not it's not them having a bad day but soon as i spoke my mind boom i'm having a bad day :roll:
 

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As I understand it aftert he incident Jacob lunged at her in the ring. If I am wrong correct me. The fact of the matter is Temperment bad day or good. Some children can rip a dogs ears off and the dogs wont budge. I guess the only way i can say it is if someone steps on our toe we can scream but not go back and step on theirs nor hit them. Control and temperment is what they are also looking for. Any signs of aggression is not acceptable. JMO
 

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Tinker said:
Either he is being too rushed and stressed getting there or he's getting too much attention by other people when he isn't in the ring and that's stressing him or he's picking up on your stress and reacting.
I think these are very good points. :wink:
 

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sorry i havent replied straight away been real ill anyway i know what you mean by saying it could be him picking up on my nervous ness as i do stil get nervous and he does get soo much attention before he goes in the ring i do not know everything about showing and i am still learning with jacob sometimes i wonder if it is coz he is stil teething should he be out of this stage by now he is nearly ten months ? but he is stil a baby so hopefully i can figure out what makes him mad and work on it i hope we can fix it coz i know and see how excited he gets thanks all
 

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yeah he is stil a baby so should be able to sort it fingers crossed i am feeling a little better just been in bed all day i thought i had caught a bug but mum has been all through her medical books and looks like i have water infection strange never thought they were this painful and my back is killing but she said in her book it says that is one of symtoms
 

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Coming from someone who knows nothing about showing. I don't get the poking thing. Why would a 'judge' poke a dog that hard. I too agree that if this has happen on 2 occasions now you should re-think about showing. In all honesty I personally disagree with showing. I mean I love people looking at my dog thinking he's beautiful and whatever but I don't think I could make him do things you have to in shows and let people poke about him. I too don't want this to get heated but I wanna express my concern for Jacob if he seems to be not happy doing this. Doesn't he get excited because he sees his lead and knows he is going out? Maybe Im totally wrong. But it is very hard to know exactly what an animal is thinking or feeling. If only they could talk. Good luck in whatever you do
 
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