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Ok well I can't seem to get Bella to calm down or stop having accidents everywhere, and now she's able to jump over my doggie gate in the kitchen. When I get home, my house is distroyed. SO I decided to purchase a crate for her and Murray to stay in when I'm at work. I've never crate trained. I've always kept Murray in the kitchen with his diaper pads... and he's been fine. What do I do now? Sometimes I work 12 hours a day... is that going to be too long to leave them in there? I'm worried the crate is too small to keep them cooped up in there all day. Do I put water, food, or toys in there with them? It just seems like this crate is too small, but the lady at the pet store said it was big enough. What do you guys think? Will it work?















 

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For crate training purposes, I think its plenty big. Ideally for them to be crate trained, the crate should be just big enough for them to stand up & turn around. In the beginning, if its much bigger than that, then they'll potty in it. (Dogs don't like pottying where they sleep, so if its small enough then they shouldn't potty, but if its still big enough for them to get away from it, then they will potty). Once they understand not to potty in the crate, then they can have more space. Its hard to tell, but I think thats about the size of the one I keep my springer in. Sammie & Stewie love being in their cages. Sounds weird, but they get excited about it! Mine spend all day in it while we're at work, and then Stewie usually goes & lays in cage towards the end of the evening also. I just throw lots of blankets in with them & they curl up & sleep! I don't put food or water in their cages, but that can depend on your dog. Both Sammie & Gracie would drink water till there's no more & then have to pee all day! And Stewie ends up shoving his blanket in the water bowl, which defeats the purpose of putting it in there! Stewie & Sammie (I haven't tried with Gracie yet, so I'm not sure about her) won't eat in their cage. I have no idea why, but they just don't! Sammie won't even chew on bones (which she loves). I would start out by giving them treats for going in there & leave the door open when you're home. That way they can get used to going in & associate it with something good. Good luck! :)
 

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Ok thanks so much for the info! I do have another part to the crate that can go straight down the middle to seperate the crate in half. So maybe if it's too big for them, I can seperate it for now. I just wanted them to have room to walk around in it.....felt like I was going to be a meany leaving them in a closed area the size of a box, when Murray has been staying in my kitchen for years. We left them in there starting this morning with some blankets and toys and they seem to do well. They went outside right away in the freezing rain, which they normally don't do. I checked their blankets to see if there were any accidents and there doesn't seem to be any. So day 1 turned out good. =)
 

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Yay!!! At least its starting off good! I feel like a meany leaving them in there all day too. But Sammie actually gets excited about going in there in the mornings & Stewie will lay in his cage at night even after being in there all day. So that helps me feel at least a little bit better. I would like to section off part of the house for them...I'm just not sure which part and I'm paranoid about them getting hurt!

You could still leave Murray in the kitchen & just put Bella in the cage until she gets more housebroken. That way you don't have to feel bad about putting him in there, if its really just Bella that's having problems.
 

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I guess it will do him good to learn how to get use to the crate too. I just have a question about the treats. I left the door open...and Bella went in there, I immediately praised her and gave her a treat. Soon after, Murray did the same. So I gave him one as well. After that, they just kept going in there to get the treat. My husband told me to cut it off and just give them praise sometimes. How often did you give yours treats when they went in there?
 

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I kind of trained them to know what "go get in your cage" means. So if I would say & they would go in there, then they got a treat. That way you can control it a little better. Just like teaching them to sit or stay or whatever. I think for the first few times of them going in there on their own (without you saying anything) I would give them a treat. Then just praise a few times like your husband said. Or if you catch one of them just laying in there, maybe give them a treat. But if you associate a command with it, it might be easier for both of you.
 

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on days where you're gone for 12 hours the dogs will NEED water, u can purchase bowls that attach to the side of the crate, which keeps things nice and dry inside for the pooches. Also during that time span they'll have to pee, Chi's have smaller bladders than we do and faster metabolisms so imagine how many times you need to pee in 12 hours and thing of the little guys. you could buy two baby gates and stack them on ontop the other to keep your girl from jumping/climbing out. that way she will have access to pee pads.
Another idea is to get an X-pen and wrap it around the entrance to the crate that way you can put a pee pad in the pen and they'll have a comfy sleeping area in the crate. And u can cover the open are of the pen with a blanket or towel to keep her from climbing, just pin it on the sides through the bars, creates a ceiling for the pen.
Hope this helps.
 

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Well I already purchased the crate and it's taking up pretty much the only spot I have left in my house, lol. I have 5 birds as well....that are caged separately for specific reasons. So I'm literally out of room to create anything else. I was worried that 12 hours would be to long too. Today I worked 12 hours, but hubby was able to stop by the house after 8 hours to let them outside. Sometimes he works just as long, if not longer...so I dunno. It's strange though. This is only the 2nd day but I noticed yesterday when I let them out, they never went to their water bowl. I asked hubby if they did today... and he said no they just went outside and came inside for attention to play. I guess i'll see how they do for the rest of the week and decide what else I could do.
 

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This is the same dilemma I will have shortly. My husband is recovering from surgery and has been at home for the last 6 months. I work nights (12hr shifts) and sleep during the day. I hate to think that Tony might spend all night in his crate and then all day too. If I get up to let him out, I have trouble going back to sleep. But the upside to that is,I then get a friend to snuggle with me! I understand about the water and wondered if a bottle attached to the side of the crate would work. The only other option is to take the day shift nursing supervisor position and work 8 hours a day. Lower level management sucks, but if its for my baby, so be it!!!
 

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I had three of that size crates ( i dont now) one for each, they used to have a puppy pad, food,water, bed and toys in each one.
 

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I push Boo's big crate against the kitchen opening so the dogs can see each other & Chica is in the kitchen w/ her bed. Boo had really bad separation anxiety & destroyed many things. But now Chica is housetrained we try leaving them out for short times. Maybe after being crated for a while you can move back to leaving them in the kitchen. Can you use the crate as a gate? Could you get a friend or petsitter to let the pups out when you work long days? Good luck!
 

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Hey!
What do u guys think if I put the pee-pad in the crate? I was thinking of getting a big enough crate to use one side for the pad and the other for food and toys. I'm away from home for about 10hrs a day so the poor pup needs to eat and drink as well as pee and poop ;-P!
 
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