Chihuahua People Forum banner

1 - 16 of 16 Posts

·
Registered
Joined
·
2,020 Posts
Discussion Starter #1
We still have a lot of Orijen for my guys to finish up, but once theyve eaten Id really like to try switching them over to pre made raws and see how they do. Im pleased with the Orijen and they like it, but there are still a few little things that bug me. Leo has a lot of tearing and some tear stains, which frankly I find weird since hes red and I assumed the staining problem was confined to lighter dogs, but anyway, Im also really annoyed with how much Reese itches. His coat is shiny, but he has dry flaky skin and some sort of allergies, he often gets little thin spots on his back from itching. Weve switched their kibble around several times with some improvement, but now I think I owe it to my sanity and his to try raw and see if that clears it up. I really dislike raw meat, I try not to even handle it in making my own dinner, and Im just not comfortable with them eating whole bones, although I know many of you do it with success. I really like the convenience of the pre mades, and have already tried some Stella and Chewy patties and some ZP, both of which they love. We also have Primal available locally.
We have at least a months worth of kibble to work through, but then Id like to feed exclusively pre mades. Is it possible to feed all three only premades though without spending an absolute fortune?? From what I can tell it looks like it would cost us about $4 a day to do only Stella and Chewys, and Im not sure how long the 11 lb, $130 bag of ZP would last, but Id certainly hope its a few months! I havent seen prices for the Primal grinds yet as I havent gone to look at them in store. Im getting the impression though that doing only pre mades for the three of them would run me about $5 a day, which is higher than Im comfortable with. Is that accurate? I think THK would be a more affordable option, but Reese didnt like it and I found mixing it and waiting to be a bit of a hassle. Maybe theres one good one that isnt so pricey you guys can recommend that I could primarily feed, and then I can add in the others for variety? Does anyone feed just ZP and know how much it costs/day and/or how long it lasts? Id really like to give this a shot for them but I cant really justify spending $150 or more a month to feed such teeny little dogs.
Thanks in advance, that got longer than I intended :)
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
3,012 Posts
I've fed ziwi exclusively before. The 11 pound bag lasted one and a half months. I have four chi's. Their weights range from about 6-6.5 pounds for the largest chi, and the smallest at 3-3.5 pounds.
Lola (3-3.5 lbs) gets 2 tablespoons daily.
Lila (4.5-5 lbs) gets 4 tablespoons daily.
Maxx (6 lbs) gets 4 tablespoons daily.
Lily (6-6.5 lbs) gets 4 tablespoons daily.

:)
Ziwipeak is a fantastic food!
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
4,436 Posts
We still have a lot of Orijen for my guys to finish up, but once theyve eaten Id really like to try switching them over to pre made raws and see how they do. Im pleased with the Orijen and they like it, but there are still a few little things that bug me. Leo has a lot of tearing and some tear stains, which frankly I find weird since hes red and I assumed the staining problem was confined to lighter dogs, but anyway, Im also really annoyed with how much Reese itches. His coat is shiny, but he has dry flaky skin and some sort of allergies, he often gets little thin spots on his back from itching. Weve switched their kibble around several times with some improvement, but now I think I owe it to my sanity and his to try raw and see if that clears it up. I really dislike raw meat, I try not to even handle it in making my own dinner, and Im just not comfortable with them eating whole bones, although I know many of you do it with success. I really like the convenience of the pre mades, and have already tried some Stella and Chewy patties and some ZP, both of which they love. We also have Primal available locally.
We have at least a months worth of kibble to work through, but then Id like to feed exclusively pre mades. Is it possible to feed all three only premades though without spending an absolute fortune?? From what I can tell it looks like it would cost us about $4 a day to do only Stella and Chewys, and Im not sure how long the 11 lb, $130 bag of ZP would last, but Id certainly hope its a few months! I havent seen prices for the Primal grinds yet as I havent gone to look at them in store. Im getting the impression though that doing only pre mades for the three of them would run me about $5 a day, which is higher than Im comfortable with. Is that accurate? I think THK would be a more affordable option, but Reese didnt like it and I found mixing it and waiting to be a bit of a hassle. Maybe theres one good one that isnt so pricey you guys can recommend that I could primarily feed, and then I can add in the others for variety? Does anyone feed just ZP and know how much it costs/day and/or how long it lasts? Id really like to give this a shot for them but I cant really justify spending $150 or more a month to feed such teeny little dogs.
Thanks in advance, that got longer than I intended :)
This is such a great question! You sound just like me! I've been racking my brain on which route to go. Currently my chi is eating THK which seems to be the most affordable quality food, but Midgie still scratches so I'm considering switching. I don't like raw either, but want the premade. I can't believe how expensive ZP & it just doesn't seem like enough food for them giving 2 tablespoons.
I do know that you can go to your local grocery store & look at the discounted meats (I get good deals) and add to whatever food your feeding which will make it go further. I do like THK and don't mind mixing. One batch last Midgie about 4 days.
I hope someone might have answers and come along soon. I'd like to get the ZP (11 lb). Not really sure what to do tho.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
14,441 Posts
What about a pre-made from a reputable company such as Hare-Today? They have some nice grinds which you could use as a base and then you could also add in some S&C and Ziwi for variety.

I haven't done a cost analysis on Hare Today but they seem pretty reasonably priced, although shipping adds up.

Here's a couple examples ....

One pound chub of ground pork with meat/bone/organs ....

Hare Today, Gone Tommorow

Or ground beef chub with meat/bone/organs and tripe - which is a huge favorite -

Hare Today, Gone Tommorow

Or chicken -

Hare Today, Gone Tommorow

A one pound chub of meat/bone/organs is about $2.19 (depending on the meat source), so feeding this to 3 dogs who eat about 4 ounces a day (which could be a high estimate) would mean that 1 pound would last just over a day. So that would be $2.00 a day to feed them. Less than half the price you were paying earlier.

If you could do these grinds, add in the occasional ZiwiPeak and S&C for variety, and possibly add in some grocery store meats - you'd be doing very well and that would certainly give you a fair trial to see if you liked the results. Usually meat grinds are heavy on bone, so you could even buy some cheap chicken/beef at the grocery store and do several meals a week of just boneless beef/pork/chicken to stretch out your grinds. You wouldn't have to mess with organ allotment or bones - although I would suggest you add in a couple of bony meals a couple times a week for teeth and chewing/jaw health. Pork or beef ribs are fairly cheap and those are easy too without too much mess.

Would that plan work at all??
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
2,020 Posts
Discussion Starter #5
I've fed ziwi exclusively before. The 11 pound bag lasted one and a half months. I have four chi's. Their weights range from about 6-6.5 pounds for the largest chi, and the smallest at 3-3.5 pounds.
Lola (3-3.5 lbs) gets 2 tablespoons daily.
Lila (4.5-5 lbs) gets 4 tablespoons daily.
Maxx (6 lbs) gets 4 tablespoons daily.
Lily (6-6.5 lbs) gets 4 tablespoons daily.

:)
Ziwipeak is a fantastic food!
Thank you Lisa! Thats so helpful. Sounds like I can expect to get about 2 months out of it then, or longer with doing other stuff mixed in.

This is such a great question! You sound just like me! I've been racking my brain on which route to go. Currently my chi is eating THK which seems to be the most affordable quality food, but Midgie still scratches so I'm considering switching. I don't like raw either, but want the premade. I can't believe how expensive ZP & it just doesn't seem like enough food for them giving 2 tablespoons.
I do know that you can go to your local grocery store & look at the discounted meats (I get good deals) and add to whatever food your feeding which will make it go further. I do like THK and don't mind mixing. One batch last Midgie about 4 days.
I hope someone might have answers and come along soon. I'd like to get the ZP (11 lb). Not really sure what to do tho.
I think its been on a lot of peoples minds now with everyone getting their ZP samples! Mine went nuts for it and thought it was just the best treat, Im sure they would be thrilled to have it as a meal.

What about a pre-made from a reputable company such as Hare-Today? They have some nice grinds which you could use as a base and then you could also add in some S&C and Ziwi for variety.

I haven't done a cost analysis on Hare Today but they seem pretty reasonably priced, although shipping adds up.

Here's a couple examples ....

One pound chub of ground pork with meat/bone/organs ....

Hare Today, Gone Tommorow

Or ground beef chub with meat/bone/organs and tripe - which is a huge favorite -

Hare Today, Gone Tommorow

Or chicken -

Hare Today, Gone Tommorow

A one pound chub of meat/bone/organs is about $2.19 (depending on the meat source), so feeding this to 3 dogs who eat about 4 ounces a day (which could be a high estimate) would mean that 1 pound would last just over a day. So that would be $2.00 a day to feed them. Less than half the price you were paying earlier.

If you could do these grinds, add in the occasional ZiwiPeak and S&C for variety, and possibly add in some grocery store meats - you'd be doing very well and that would certainly give you a fair trial to see if you liked the results. Usually meat grinds are heavy on bone, so you could even buy some cheap chicken/beef at the grocery store and do several meals a week of just boneless beef/pork/chicken to stretch out your grinds. You wouldn't have to mess with organ allotment or bones - although I would suggest you add in a couple of bony meals a couple times a week for teeth and chewing/jaw health. Pork or beef ribs are fairly cheap and those are easy too without too much mess.

Would that plan work at all??
Thank you Tracy, thats a great suggestion! Its so much fun to look at all the different grinds and see all the variety they can try. Seems like mixing up their proteins is a much more balanced and exciting way for them to eat.
I honestly dont know if I would feel comfortable giving them just plain old raw meat from the store. I know thats silly but I just have some kind of a block there, maybe I will feel differently once Ive been feeding the premades for awhile I can work my way up to "real" raw. Eggs make a good add in too right?
The woman from ZP who sent our samples recommended Primals "recreation" bones, which I guess they chew the meat off but dont eat. Have you tried them? Would I need to give them in their kennel or outside or are they "treated" somehow?
Just poking around Primals site I saw that they suggested a 24 hr fast once a week which supposedly cleanses toxins as part of a raw diet, although they said it wasnt essential. Does anyone do this?
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
14,441 Posts
Eggs make a good add in too right?
The woman from ZP who sent our samples recommended Primals "recreation" bones, which I guess they chew the meat off but dont eat. Have you tried them? Would I need to give them in their kennel or outside or are they "treated" somehow?
Just poking around Primals site I saw that they suggested a 24 hr fast once a week which supposedly cleanses toxins as part of a raw diet, although they said it wasnt essential. Does anyone do this?
Eggs are great and a simple, nutritious meal. If you are hesitant, then just scramble then a little bit so that they aren't totally raw. That might help you make the transition. The dogs won't care. ;) However, be aware that eggs are added in towards the end of the switch over as they can cause loose stools. They are best fed with a bony meal such as a section of a chicken wing, etc.

I think that once you got going on a raw diet with some pre-mades, and some of your own add ins - I think you'd find that the diet is actually quite cheap. Shoot, we don't notice Brody's food costs at all. Half the time he just eats a chunk of whatever we're having..... If I'm making chicken, for example, I throw him a section of chicken wing and a couple bites of breast. There, he's fed. Or if I'm doing a roast or steak on the grill or whatever, I cut off a chunk for him and voila - he's got dinner. We don't even notice it.

There's some controversy over recreational bones. Raw feeders often call them 'wreck bones' because the wreck teeth. They wear down teeth because they are so hard and they can cause slab fractures. Most raw feeders with bigger dogs do NOT recommend any of the weight bearing bones such as the marrow bones, etc. you can get in the grocery store. Having said that, I think this is a case of knowing your dogs. If you have super power chewers, then pass on those rock hard weight bearing leg bones. But if your dogs aren't super power chewers, then I think that a raw marrow bone can be fine! Use at your own risk though and be aware that they can break teeth.

Pork ribs, pork neckbones, or beef ribs are a good alternative. They have some meat and the ends have cartilage and edible bone. After they work the meat off and get some good chewing time in, and they start to dry out, just throw them out.

I also like bully sticks for recreational chewing.

I don't do fasting. Some people do, but I don't recommend it for small dogs. I just don't think they need it. Some feed their large dogs a gorge meal (maybe twice what they would normally eat) and then skip feeding them for a day. It's up to you, but I don't do it at all.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
469 Posts
I've fed ziwi exclusively before. The 11 pound bag lasted one and a half months. I have four chi's. Their weights range from about 6-6.5 pounds for the largest chi, and the smallest at 3-3.5 pounds.
Lola (3-3.5 lbs) gets 2 tablespoons daily.
Lila (4.5-5 lbs) gets 4 tablespoons daily.
Maxx (6 lbs) gets 4 tablespoons daily.
Lily (6-6.5 lbs) gets 4 tablespoons daily.

:)
Ziwipeak is a fantastic food!
Can i just ask , is this a dry food like a biscuit (Kibble) or is it meat in a tin, just wondering as mine would be on 4 tbs a day which doesnt seem a lot or do you mix it with something, have been on a site over here and they sell it in pouches looks liked wet tinned food not sure, would also love to use it but dont know what to buy, sorry for jumping on thread here x
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
14,441 Posts
Alexine, ZiwiPeak is a dried produce in a bag, just like kibble. Doesn't need refrigeration, etc. It's little dime sized jerky type squares. I believe it's air dried. It is an awesome food! Very easy for boarding or traveling as you can just scoop it out of a bag like you would feed kibble. No fuss, very easy.

Some people add a little water to it and float the little squares in the liquid just so the dog ingests more liquid. Kibble and dry foods are hard on their kidneys/liver as their bodies have to process the dry food. So some people find that adding water to the ziwi helps it to digest and be processed better. This would work fine for kibble too.

I know several people here have emailed them for samples and they are good about mailing them out. At least you could try it that way before you bought it since it's expensive. But no, they don't eat much of it at all!
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
3,012 Posts
Can i just ask , is this a dry food like a biscuit (Kibble) or is it meat in a tin, just wondering as mine would be on 4 tbs a day which doesnt seem a lot or do you mix it with something, have been on a site over here and they sell it in pouches looks liked wet tinned food not sure, would also love to use it but dont know what to buy, sorry for jumping on thread here x
Ziwi is a sort of like dime size pieces of jerky in a square shape. I know it seems like such a small amount of food, but they really don't need much. My chi's seem very satisfied after their meals, and believe me, they are little piggies!!! Lol!

I add water to ziwi. Just enough to cover the squares a bit. I will also add in one of their fish oils or coconut oil. It's easier adding it to the ziwi rather than a raw piece of meat. :)

I don't feed ziwi exclusively anymore, but would have no problem doing so if I had to. I think ziwi is the next best thing to raw.

I feed ziwi, grinds from Hare Today, and meats from the grocery store. I like to get the harder to find or unusual meats from Hare Today, and the easier to find meats at the grocery store.

From your link in your other post, I would start with the lamb formula. I think it's easier on their tummies. I've used all formula and my guys love all of them. :)
I haven't tried the cans, but I'm sure they are great. :)
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
14,441 Posts
Thankyou Tracy , thats been such a great help, iv just found another site what sells the airdried over here below is the link, could i ask you which one do you recomend, i notice they do a trial bag also
Thanks
Dry Dog Food | ZiwiPeak Shop .co.uk
Bet your kids will love the ziwi! I've done the venison and the lamb. Brody likes the lamb the best. He is NOT a fish fan, so I haven't tried the venison and fish. As Lisa said, I would start with the lamb! :)
 

·
Banned
Joined
·
6,940 Posts
Ahhh I just wrote this whole long reply and stupid Bryco jumped onto my keyboard and deleted it all. BRAT.

OK so basically what I said is that I honestly don't notice the cost of feeding my dogs, and considering that I now have 6, that should tell you something. They get a variety of things, including pre-made Stella & Chewy's, Ziwi, and full on raw meals.

Since I think Organs are just about as gross as it comes, I have come up with a compromise where I freeze little frozen "cube" organs for the dogs, about 1/10 ounce liver & 1/10 ounce kidney rolled in a vanilla yogurt, peanut butter and parmesan mixture. They eat them right up like they were the best things ever. But I detest touching the stuff otherwise, this way once they freeze on the cookie sheet (I butter it and they pop right off after frozen), I throw them in a bag and boom, there are my organs. I'm going to try a few different things as far as this goes, too, but Organs are DIRT cheap, I spent maybe $7 for the organs and have this disgustingly huge bag of them now...from what I understand they probably are good for at least a year if they stay frozen (someone please let me know if this is wrong!). They eat them right from a frozen state like they are little frozen goodies.

As far as meaty bones go, they mostly get chicken. Meat is pretty expensive here and they need the calcium so they get those maybe 2x a week. Following that meal, they usually get just whatever we are having for dinner. They eat so little even with chopping off 6 chunks of whatever it is, you don't even notice its gone. So they get chunks of beef, pork, chicken, whatever...with a dash of nupro and rolled in salmon or anchovie oil. If we aren't having any meat that is when they get the pre-mades and the bags seem to last FOREVER. OCCASIONALLY they get pork or beef ribs if I can find them without the added salt. But I seem unable to 99% of the time, and when I can, yikes, they ain't cheap.

Now I should note...my dogs get a variety of meal sizes. Some are big and some are small. It all seems to work out in the wash as my dogs are mostly a perfect weight, with only maybe Bryco lugging around a few extra ounces haha.

They also get scrambled eggs often, ... just, whatever we have that won't be good much longer, they get.

I don't give them any veggies or grains or anything, and they are 100% grainfree and have been for about 3 months now and have never been healthier. Their THK is grainfree as well.

It doesn't cost me much to feed them this way...$75 a month is high-balling it, I think...and it doesn't take much effort, other than the times where I pre-make my own things.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
14,441 Posts
Kristi - your little organ balls are a riot!! LOL! That's pretty creative though. Will have to remember that when someone asks how to get their dogs to eat organs. :)
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
2,020 Posts
Discussion Starter #15
Eggs are great and a simple, nutritious meal. If you are hesitant, then just scramble then a little bit so that they aren't totally raw. That might help you make the transition. The dogs won't care. ;) However, be aware that eggs are added in towards the end of the switch over as they can cause loose stools. They are best fed with a bony meal such as a section of a chicken wing, etc.

I think that once you got going on a raw diet with some pre-mades, and some of your own add ins - I think you'd find that the diet is actually quite cheap. Shoot, we don't notice Brody's food costs at all. Half the time he just eats a chunk of whatever we're having..... If I'm making chicken, for example, I throw him a section of chicken wing and a couple bites of breast. There, he's fed. Or if I'm doing a roast or steak on the grill or whatever, I cut off a chunk for him and voila - he's got dinner. We don't even notice it.

There's some controversy over recreational bones. Raw feeders often call them 'wreck bones' because the wreck teeth. They wear down teeth because they are so hard and they can cause slab fractures. Most raw feeders with bigger dogs do NOT recommend any of the weight bearing bones such as the marrow bones, etc. you can get in the grocery store. Having said that, I think this is a case of knowing your dogs. If you have super power chewers, then pass on those rock hard weight bearing leg bones. But if your dogs aren't super power chewers, then I think that a raw marrow bone can be fine! Use at your own risk though and be aware that they can break teeth.

Pork ribs, pork neckbones, or beef ribs are a good alternative. They have some meat and the ends have cartilage and edible bone. After they work the meat off and get some good chewing time in, and they start to dry out, just throw them out.

I also like bully sticks for recreational chewing.

I don't do fasting. Some people do, but I don't recommend it for small dogs. I just don't think they need it. Some feed their large dogs a gorge meal (maybe twice what they would normally eat) and then skip feeding them for a day. It's up to you, but I don't do it at all.
I am SO glad I asked about those bones! They certainly dont sound worth the risk. Ive been crunching the numbers a bit and I really dont think feeding ZP is going to be much more expensive than Orijen. I think Im just less aware of what Im spending now because I buy a huge bag and forget about it for 2-3 months. Now I just want them to hurry up and eat it all so I can get started with this new diet. Im so excited to try all the different grinds and see what things they like best. Thank you for all your advice!

Ahhh I just wrote this whole long reply and stupid Bryco jumped onto my keyboard and deleted it all. BRAT.

OK so basically what I said is that I honestly don't notice the cost of feeding my dogs, and considering that I now have 6, that should tell you something. They get a variety of things, including pre-made Stella & Chewy's, Ziwi, and full on raw meals.

Since I think Organs are just about as gross as it comes, I have come up with a compromise where I freeze little frozen "cube" organs for the dogs, about 1/10 ounce liver & 1/10 ounce kidney rolled in a vanilla yogurt, peanut butter and parmesan mixture. They eat them right up like they were the best things ever. But I detest touching the stuff otherwise, this way once they freeze on the cookie sheet (I butter it and they pop right off after frozen), I throw them in a bag and boom, there are my organs. I'm going to try a few different things as far as this goes, too, but Organs are DIRT cheap, I spent maybe $7 for the organs and have this disgustingly huge bag of them now...from what I understand they probably are good for at least a year if they stay frozen (someone please let me know if this is wrong!). They eat them right from a frozen state like they are little frozen goodies.

As far as meaty bones go, they mostly get chicken. Meat is pretty expensive here and they need the calcium so they get those maybe 2x a week. Following that meal, they usually get just whatever we are having for dinner. They eat so little even with chopping off 6 chunks of whatever it is, you don't even notice its gone. So they get chunks of beef, pork, chicken, whatever...with a dash of nupro and rolled in salmon or anchovie oil. If we aren't having any meat that is when they get the pre-mades and the bags seem to last FOREVER. OCCASIONALLY they get pork or beef ribs if I can find them without the added salt. But I seem unable to 99% of the time, and when I can, yikes, they ain't cheap.

Now I should note...my dogs get a variety of meal sizes. Some are big and some are small. It all seems to work out in the wash as my dogs are mostly a perfect weight, with only maybe Bryco lugging around a few extra ounces haha.

They also get scrambled eggs often, ... just, whatever we have that won't be good much longer, they get.

I don't give them any veggies or grains or anything, and they are 100% grainfree and have been for about 3 months now and have never been healthier. Their THK is grainfree as well.

It doesn't cost me much to feed them this way...$75 a month is high-balling it, I think...and it doesn't take much effort, other than the times where I pre-make my own things.
Thanks for your reply Kristi! Sorry you lost the first one, that has definitely happened to me before too. At first I think Ill probably just be sticking to the premades, but once I get into it who knows. It seems like you really do pay for the convenience of the premades, and it is much cheaper to just do the "real" pmr. Im just not sure Ill ever feel comfortable about giving them a bone to actually eat, but maybe once Im eased into it it wont seem so weird to me. Miley and Leo would LOOOOOVE your frozen organ ball recipe, lol. They come running anytime the hear the ice maker, they think frozen things are the best.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
469 Posts
Thanks , for all the advice going to start my 3 on it soon, is it right that there is less poops with it as well if so thats a bonus lol
 
1 - 16 of 16 Posts
Top