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so im going to the market tonight to get some cold cuts for dexter...looking to try a bone or something just to gte him eating again. he hasnt aten all day yesterday and today...maybe he will prfer raw? .my question is how much and what type? someobne mentioned shin bones on other post, is there anything else? can it be almost any bone? lol...so used to cooked food :( his is my last resort...going back to the wolves tasttebuds. must get answer soon! before battery on cell dies lmao :) please!
 

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Hmm lets see. I know i have done a ton of research on this subject but i dont know where to start lol

If Dexter doesnt have an intolerance to chicken i would start him out with that since it is easiest to find. Maybe a chicken foot , neck or leg. if you go for the leg you can just pull the meat off if you only want the bone. You can also try turkey but the bone will be bigger lol

Dont forget that you can also try fish. My dog loves fish

Edited to add that whatever you get try to make it bigger than dexters mouth so he wont just gobble it whole. I've heard of dogs getting into trouble when they try to swallow a whole bone. Just thought i should add that. Good luck shopping!
 

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get skinless chicken breast, and thighs. Start him with meat/bone only.

don't start with red meat it causes looser stool than chicken because it's richer and it will just scare you away from raw!
 

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I agree with Kelly - get bone-in chicken breasts. Take the skin off at first, as it can cause loose stools in some dogs. Give him the whole chicken breast with the bone-in. I bet he will do fine with it. That's all you need to do for now. Just plain old chicken breasts with the bone. You can move on up to the other basics later. Just chicken for now.
 

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I started mine out with cornish hens. They were just the right size for my chi's. :)
 

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Oh yes, cornish hens are a staple here. They are by far, Brody's FAVORITE!! He eats one a week. :)
 

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My boy Brody :). I remember when you couldn't get that little stinker to eat anything. Lol. Now he's a happy and healthy raw feed chi!
 

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I agree with Kelly - get bone-in chicken breasts. Take the skin off at first, as it can cause loose stools in some dogs. Give him the whole chicken breast with the bone-in. I bet he will do fine with it. That's all you need to do for now. Just plain old chicken breasts with the bone. You can move on up to the other basics later. Just chicken for now.
That's exactly what my gang had tonight. It's a great place to start. Fiona chomps it down like she's eaten raw forever.

Good luck Pidge and keep us posted. No red meat for a while honey, till he gets used to it.
 

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My boy Brody :). I remember when you couldn't get that little stinker to eat anything. Lol. Now he's a happy and healthy raw feed chi!
I know! Right?! He had rabbit for supper tonight. Little stinker. :) And yes, he ate every bite.
 

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get skinless chicken breast, and thighs. Start him with meat/bone only.

don't start with red meat it causes looser stool than chicken because it's richer and it will just scare you away from raw!
oh okay! :D thanks defo dont want loose poop running around the house ewww
I agree with Kelly - get bone-in chicken breasts. Take the skin off at first, as it can cause loose stools in some dogs. Give him the whole chicken breast with the bone-in. I bet he will do fine with it. That's all you need to do for now. Just plain old chicken breasts with the bone. You can move on up to the other basics later. Just chicken for now.
i wonder if he'll like that hmmm!! yes i cant wait to move him up to red meat if he decides he likes chicken
I started mine out with cornish hens. They were just the right size for my chi's. :)
oooh hens! sounds a bit scary lol
That's exactly what my gang had tonight. It's a great place to start. Fiona chomps it down like she's eaten raw forever.

Good luck Pidge and keep us posted. No red meat for a while honey, till he gets used to it.
yes definitely will keep posted!
I know! Right?! He had rabbit for supper tonight. Little stinker. :) And yes, he ate every bite.
omg....i love rabbit...live...poor rabbits, theyre so cute and furry! :(

oh another question. wont be going tonight ms my bf's mom said she will go to the butcher tomorrow around her which is fresh and better. is deer meat okay or is that too strong as well? or how about goat meat? actually can i get a list of what animals is okay LOL...to many animals. il'l be seeing them most likely saturday night and bring some home for dexter that night yay :) thanks everyone!
 

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Pidge - you can use ALL meats.... goat, deer, beef, lamb, sheep, chicken, turkey, etc....

BUT.... and listen closely.... you have to start with chicken (or cornish hens if you prefer), bone-in (to prevent loose stools) for at least 2 weeks. You have to get him STABILIZED on the chicken before you add other proteins. Or you will be dealing with diarrhea and/or vomiting.

It's NOT a race. You have to go slowly and gently. Introduce the chicken and feed that only for 2 weeks. Then, you can gradually add in other proteins and organs.

So chicken ONLY for 2 weeks!! OK?! :)
 

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Ha! Ha! Take pics when you give Dexter his raw. I would love to see him chow down!
 

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I agree, slow and steady wins the race ( or so to speak :) ) I know there are alot of webpages around that are dedicated to helping owners get educated about raw. if you want i could search around and compile a list for you.
 

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Ha! Ha! Take pics when you give Dexter his raw. I would love to see him chow down!
LOL you know i definitely will :hello1:
I agree, slow and steady wins the race ( or so to speak :) ) I know there are alot of webpages around that are dedicated to helping owners get educated about raw. if you want i could search around and compile a list for you.
really!? ususally im good with researching things up but this...is totallt different. i've googled it ebfore but there are just so many things to read and i dont know which one is true or not...haha. would love it! thankkkkkks
 

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Pidge - here's some raw info and links to get you started. :)

If you are considering raw feeding, good for you! It is truly the best thing you can feed your dog. Dogs are carnivores, they thrive on fresh meat. It is what they are meant to eat. It is species appropriate.

There are a couple trains of thought on raw feeding. Some people feed BARF, which is bones and raw foods. It is based on a slurry of vegetables and supplements, with raw meaty bones added in such as chicken necks, wings, and backs. This method has fallen out of favor as more research is done. Dogs don’t need or process fruits and vegetables well unless they are broken down into a paste. The veggies just pass on through without digesting, unless you break down the cellulose. So if you choose to do a BARF model, make sure you do lots of reading on what supplements are needed and make sure that the vegetables you use are pulverized.

Prey model diet is a very balanced and “easier” way to do raw than BARF. The veggies aren’t needed at all. The diet consists of 80% meat, 10% bone (always raw, never ever cooked), and 10% organs. Of those organs, 5% must be liver and the other 5% is a secreting organ such as kidney, pancreas, reproductive organs, thymus, etc. Heart and gizzards count as muscle meats. You start off feeding 2-3% of your dogs weight. Here’s a calculator that shows you how much to feed per day…

http://www.raw4dogs.com/calculate.htm

You may be surprised to see that a 5 pound dog only needs 1-2 ounces of food a day! That is because the raw diet is completely bio-available. NO fillers, no dyes, no grains, no extras. Just meat and a little bone and your dog processes it completely. One of the first things you will notice on a raw diet is that your dog drinks less water, (raw meat has a very high water content) and has very small bowel movements. There is a huge difference between the stools of a kibble fed dog and a raw fed one.

It’s very important to start off SLOW when you ease into raw. Dump the kibble first. Get it out of the house. Kibble is like doggy drugs… it has a spray coating of flavor/fat and has a lot of odor that entices dogs to eat it. If your dog knows there is kibble in the house, they may not want to transition to raw as readily. Raw has little to no odor, so some dogs don’t recognize it as food until they really taste it and see how good it is.
Chicken is a great place to start. You want to feed mostly meat with a little bone when beginning a dog on raw so start with Cornish hens or bone-in chicken breasts. It is a protein that is easily digested, readily available, and not expensive. A great starter meat. Be sure and get UNENHANCED chicken. Lots of chicken has "broth" or a salt solution pumped into it to make the chicken more tender. If it says enhanced with a 10% solution, skip it. You want just plain old chicken. Read the label. You want the sodium level to be about 80mg for a 4 ounce portion.

Your dog may experience a “detox” period as they come off of the kibble. You may notice more shedding, loose stools, itching, or even vomiting in rare cases. These issues will pass as the dogs body adjusts to a raw diet. Then you will see the benefits of raw start to show up! Little to no body odor, small compact stools, bright shiny coat that hardly sheds, more muscle tone and increased energy. The benefits of teeth cleaning are widely documented. Most raw dogs never need to have a dental. Immune system health will improve as well and dogs that had allergies or sensitive stomachs will experience huge benefits. There have even been studies that show that raw fed dogs are more resistant to parasites, as well as some cancers.

Once your dog is well established on chicken (usually 1-2 weeks) and you are seeing normal compact stools, you can start adding in other proteins. Your dog can eat beef, pork, chicken, cornish hens, quail, duck, turkey, goat, lamb, sheep, deer, elk, rabbit, eggs, fish, etc. Start slow by adding in a very small amount of the new protein to the chicken until the dog is adjusted. Then you can move on to new proteins. Over several months, your dog should be exposed to as many proteins as you can find. Variety is key and helps to provide all the nutrients your dog needs. Once your raw feeding regimen is established, your dog should be eating at least 50% red meat.

At this point, organs can be added in. You will feed 5% of the diet in liver (chicken, pork, beef, or calf) and 5% other organ. Beef kidney is readily available in most markets. For a small dog, these organs are a very small – but very IMPORTANT – part of the diet. They provide nutrients that aren’t found in muscle meats and must be part of the diet. Not a large part, only 10% overall, but they must be included.

For small dogs, I have found that cornish hens are a great base food. The bones are small and easy to chew, and they are the right size for little mouths. Lamb breast also has good edible bone, as does rabbit, quail, and pork ribs. A whole cornish hen is about 35% bone. So you will want to alternate Cornish hen parts that have bone, with boneless meals in order to keep the total bone at 10% of the diet.

Where does pre-made frozen raw fit in? These are products that are already “balanced” for you with the meat/bones/organs in a ground form. Some popular brands you may run across are Nature’s Variety, Stella and Chewy’s, Bravo, or Primal. These products are very easy to use. Pop out a patty or a medallion from your bag in the freezer, thaw it out and feed it to your dog. Many people like these pre-mades for convenience. However, they don’t give your dog the mental and physical work of whole prey. Your dog NEEDS the stimulation of chewing and crunching up a piece of meat. In my opinion, pre-mades are fine for an occasional meal, but I wouldn’t use them full time. It feels GOOD to go to the grocery store and pick out meats to feed your dog, knowing you are feeding them the same meats you would feed to your family.

Part of raw feeding is really getting to know your dog. Some dogs do better on a little more than 10% of their diet as bone. Some do fine with less. Try to keep the ratios at 80% meat, 10% bone, and 10% organ with 5% being liver. You can weigh it out at first if you want to, but let the dog’s body condition be your guide. If the dog looks a little ribby and thin, increase the raw from 2% of his body weight to 3% or even 4%, depending on the dogs activity level, age, and metabolism. If your dogs stools get loose, add more bone. If your dog is straining to defecate or his stools are white and crumbly, back off on the bone.

I have found that keeping the mindset of mostly meat, a little bone, and a smidge of organ works well. You don’t have to balance the meals every day. That’s a lot of work! Try to aim for balance over time. Keep a journal of what you are feeding at first so that you can look over the menu and see where you might be lacking. Balance over several weeks is good. I do organs as a single meal on the weekend. It’s easy for me to remember and Brody doesn’t have a problem with loose stools. Some people prefer to add a tiny smidge of organs every day or a couple times a week. Be creative and find what works for you.

I’ve covered the bases, but there are many good resources to learn more on the raw diet. Here’s a few links to get you started.

This one is a great place to start and you can spend a lot of time going through the many pages here. The "myths of raw feeding" pages are invaluable and answers most, if not all, the questions a newbie to raw will have. Invaluable site!

http://rawfed.com/myths/feedraw.html

http://rawfed.com/myths/

Here's another favorite site that has a ton of good information on it ....

http://www.rawlearning.com/rawfaq.html

The raw feeders yahoo group is a great place to learn also. There are over 16,000 raw feeders on the list from all over the world.

http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/rawfeeding/

Another site I like that has a lot of good history, anatomy of the dog and why it's made to eat raw, and lots of good links on the link page ....

http://rawfeddogs.net/

A raw feeders blog with lots of interesting info …

http://www.krisannriorawfeeding.com/

More info and lots of links!

http://mypetcarnivore.com/rawfeeding_basics.htm

Anatomy and physiology of the dog versus the wolf and the debate on whether dogs are omnivores or carnivores.

http://aspenbloompetcare.com/2009/07/dogs-the-omnivore-carnivore-controversy.htm

If you have any questions, feel free to ask. There are lots of raw feeders here and we are more than willing to help! Do a little research and off you go. You won’t regret it and your dog will thank you! Once you see the difference that a raw diet makes, your only regret will be not doing it sooner. :)
 

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omg brody! THAT IS A LOT OF INFO! lol! thanks so much for it! i'll be reading it after work cuz if i start reading now i'll be super late for it :p if the raw feeding is successful am i allowed to give him some cooked as well? or will that mess up his stomach? he doesn't really eat kibble even if its laying around. he was more into cooked chicken for 1 year straight, will that make any difference to starting raw feeding? hmm sucha new world. i definitely want less poop pls! LOL :albino: i already know he'll love the red meat when i get to that part because he was sniffing like crazyyyyy when i left some out outside when we were doing a bbq last year. i already know what that sniff means! LOL ^_^ kinda like a vampire thirsty for blood, they just NEED it. however dexter was a good boy and didnt even take any because he knows not to unless i feed it to him :)
 
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