[chihuahuamama101]

Hi everyone,
i would have posted this in the breeding section, but i have insufficient post to do so,
ok... first id like to say that this is a something that i'm don't take lightly and that i've put a lot of thought into, i have questions and i would also like any POSITIVE suggestions you may have
I was thinking of mating my little 2 year old male, Quatchi, i originally wanted to have a live-in gf, but because of a full house right now we are opting for someone else's little girl.
ok ...
first of all, my little boy humps his elephant teddy bear like a mad man and will some days go after it for hours on end, is it for sure that he will take to the female ?
the female is at the end of her heat, does this mean that it would be more difficult for her to conceive ?
i know that chihuahua size matters, the woman said it wouldn't matter, but my little Quatchi is a tad bigger then she is, and to my understanding the male should be at least 1 pound less then the female, could this injure her little female ?
and and last but not least, this would be my first time so i have no idea how payment works, she offered me an engagement ring in trade, would payment come only after the pregnancy is confirmed or right after the deed is being done ?
thank you so much for the taking the time to read this,

if anyone have any stories to share, i would love to read them.
thank you

 

[michele]

I have no idea but offered you an engagement ring,sounds very odd ?

 

[chihuahuamama101]

lol, i should have been more specific.. lol, we agreed on that cause that value was huge and she already had 2 ads selling 2 different pieces.
Or she said i could wait for cash in March.... but i thnk that that is the part where it has me confused.

i would post the email she sent, but it is in french. :S

 

[Jennmay]

I have always also heard it is better to breed a smaller male to female. But I am not a breeder so I can no answer any of your breeding questions but I dunno I would find someone else this person seems like she does not care about her Chi.

 

[chihuahuamama101]

im starting to realize you might be right....
thank you for your thoughts.
it sucks that it isnt turning out to be the fairtale i thought it might be. And my little Quatchi is my world, i guess thats what makes it hard imagine other people dont feel the same way i do about there little babies

 

[Christabelle]

This is my attempt to answer without getting on a rant.

This person sounds shady upfront. If she doesn't have
the cash to pay for stud fees, then I'm sure she doesn't
have the cash for pay for the medical bills, emergency and
non that will/could be associated with birthing puppies.

 

[chihuahuamama101]

i appreciate your opinion, and i definitely agree with you but it had nothing to do with with the lack of funds on her part, i chose the ring over the cash,( i am shopping for one and have been raising money towards one, so it was almost a sign) but that if i wanted cash to wait till march for the cash. (everyone i know in Quebec is on a budget, including me, but never ever does my dogs needs go unmet)
i agree i might have made her sounds shady, but i think i didnt portrait well, either way, i am already reconsidering it, and leaning towards waiting to have my own baby girl....
but what i do want to know is does payment normally come after pregnancy if confirmed or after the deed is done... for future reference.

 

[michele]

I would get your own female puppy,i think you need to ask yourself what kind of breeder will she be to those puppies born ? is she a reputable breeder,or just in it for the money ? Is the ring she offered you real ?There's so many scammers out there,please be careful.

 

[chihuahuamama101]

i think you are right, i dont know for sure that she would be as good a 'mom' i know i can be. ive had Quatchi since he is 8 weeks old and knew him while he was still in his bioligical mama's belly i would love to go through that experience again too.
Now i guess the only thing left to do is convince my hubby i think he might think its too much for 2 dogs (the other is a big Labernese) and two cats (trying to find homes as we speak, they are rescues) for a 2 bedroom apartment... (4.1/2) maybe once the cats find there new forever home it might be possible....

thank you for the advise everyone, any further advice is still welcome. im still curious as to what the 'Standard' procedure is between pet owners for mating.

 

[arwensmommy]

okay so this is my suggestion, first off, it is incredibly dangerous to breed a small female with a larger male, particularly if your unsure of the size of both parents on both sides. It could result in the puppies becoming too large for her to safely carry, which could kill both momma and the babies. Even in cases where the male is smaller than the female it is not uncommon for there to be issues, which could end up costing the other women thousands of dollars in medical fees. also if the female is under 5lbs it is inadvisable for her to be bred. If you want to breed him , I don't suggest you jump into it. Do a lot of research, generally you would charge a stud fee, which varies greatly based off of his pedigree and who he has papers with. Or you would request pick of litter. I also am going to state this, just as a caution, if the female is not responsive to him, once they are locked together she could really injure him. Yet again i cannot urge you enough to do your research on this.

 

[arwensmommy]

oh and the stud fee would be paid after they successfully link up, whether she concieves or not is besides the point.

 

[guccigrande]

This is how much I know
The female dog is ready for mating usually between the 9th and 14th days from the onset of the heat period. Conception has its best chance between the 11th and 14th days (this is all after the discharge from the female vulva is finished)
The stud fee is a fee the owner of a female dog pays to the owner of the male dog for a 'tie'.
They tend to leave the female dog when she is on heat with the stud owner for a couple of days.
Normally they attempt the mating twice and if they do not take, then the stud services are provided in the next season for a free mating. But that is as far as it goes, it doesn't matter if she conceives or not.
Usually the stud fees for an 'unproven' male is much lower than that of a 'proven' male who has already helped produce puppies.
Sometimes payment for stud services is substituted for a puppy, usually a "pick-of-the-litter" but I haven't heard of a ring being used as a payment... that is odd
The other thing is that 'breeding' should be used to help improve the chihuahua breed and to ideally produce good healthy pups that are close to the standard rather than just for money.
I also agree with others here that she must be able to afford taking care of the pups so she needs to think about costs. A lot of chihuahuas need c-sections which cost quite a bit and I should have thought that if she has bigger pups it would increase the risk of her not being able to give birth naturally without harm.
hope this helps

 

[chihuahuamama101]

Thank you everyone for the advice
since my last post i have reconsidered and told the woman it was a horrible idea,
I will wait to breed when i get my own female,
i appreciate what you say about the breed and breeding and i 100% AGREE. i know that my male comes from amazing genes and i wouldn't want any less for his puppies.
and i want to make sure that the situation will be ideal and that the pups will be taken care of..my way, which i cant guarantee with an outside mama.
guess i was a little blinding at the thought that engagement ring fundraising had come to an end, ah well... i guess im back to save up... lol.

 

[20887]

Have you had your male at least evaluated by someone who knows the chihuahua breed well, to tell you if he is a good representation of the breed? The fact that he is from good genes doesn't mean everything, he could still have health or conformation issues he could pass on to his pups. Has he been health tested for knee, heart and eye problems? Any female you want to breed your male to should be tested as well.

 

[chihuahuamama101]

yes i have had him evaluated, i dont have the paperwork but the vet said it was the most '' show quality'' chihuahua he had seen in the longest of times. so im guessing that that is a good start

 

[Brodysmom]

A few things to know about managing a stud dog ....

Once a dog has been mated, their personality will change. They become much more interested in other dogs and less interested in their people. Are you willing to give up your mama's boy for a sex crazed dog that is drooling after any female he can smell? Stay up all night listening to him whine and pace? Watch him stop eating for days because he is only thinking about mating and nothing else?

His humping a pillow really doesn't have anything to do with his ability to mate and tie with a female. Usually that is stress relief or dominance or boredom. He may or may not be able to successfully mate a female. Often dogs that are babied by their owners are unable to complete the act.

Typically the stud dog is smaller than the female. But even if he is smaller, if he has larger dogs in his pedigree, he could throw bigger pups which would make a c-section a very strong possibility for the bitch owner. You need to know his pedigree frontward and backward to make a decision on whether he should be used at stud or not.

Be prepared for marking (urinating) in the house. If he isn't doing it already. An intact male dog WILL mark. Your furniture. Your curtains. Your walls. Your clothes. Even people. After he has been used as a stud dog, he will mark even more. It is hormonal and almost impossible to stop once it starts. Neutering MIGHT help, but once marking is a habit, you will likely be putting him in a belly band so your house doesn't smell like a urinal.

Health tests and conformation - I know you said your vet looked at him, but its good to have him evaluated by someone very familiar with a breed. You can find a local kennel club and see if there's a chihuahua breeder who might be interested in helping/mentoring you. He should fit the standard for the breed. This takes a trained eye because, to be honest, most people think their pets are beautiful. That does NOT mean they should be reproduced. Before he was bred he should be tested for patellas, eyes, and cardiac (heart). Our breed is OVER RUN with badly bred dogs with bad knees that require extensive surgery and rehab. Any bitch he is mated to should be tested for brucellosis which is a sexually transmitted disease that she can pass on to your dog.

Canine Brucellosis

Stud fee is agreed up on before mating. Stud owners don't guarantee conception, but will give a repeat service if there's no puppies. A stud owner is also responsible for the pups produced, although this usually falls to the dams owner. You permitted these puppies to be born, you are responsible for them. If someone can't keep a puppy, are you prepared to take it back? What if one of the puppies comes up lame at 10 months old and needs a $2000 patella luxation surgery? Are you prepared to pay for that? No? Then don't breed.

There are enough pets in the world. Good dogs are euthanized every single day. Go to petfinder.com and type in chihuahua. There are thousands of dogs needing a home. Why bring more into the world?

Does that mean chi's should never be bred? Of course not. But they should be bred by conscientious people who are willing to put in the time/effort to create dogs that are excellent and HEALTHY representatives of the breed. It is not a money making effort. It is time consuming, often heartbreaking, and expensive.

You could check out this thread if you are interested in more info .....

http://www.chihuahua-people.com/chihuahua-breeders-breeding/48665-you-thinking-about-breeding.html

And for more information on health testing that is required in chi's before breeding ....

Health Testing

Finally (sorry to write a novel) here is a great simple flow chart which shows whether or not your dog should be bred ....

I hope this post helps you!

 

[arwensmommy]

yea but that doesn't mean anything unless he is akc, or ckc registered... AKC is better than ckc. also you should be able to trace his lineage back three generations. I would also insure that he has absolutely no defects in his lineage. I cant blame you for wanting to breed, I was super tempted to myself... until i read more about it. Out of curiosity, how much does he weigh? If he doesn't have papers than you could still breed him, but i would probably only do it about one time, there's no point to breeding unless he's both registered and show man quality, because the cost you'd pay if their were complications wouldn't be worth it, as you couldn't sell the puppies as having papers. which would reduce the price a lot. plus I've heard that it changes the females personality quite a bit. When you select a girl, make sure you're sure about how big she will become. it would be really sad if you got her than she didn't grow large enough for what you want her to do.

 

[chihuahuamama101]

THANK YOU FOR THIS POST !!!
i was looking for information and i got everything i was looking for ....
i cant think you enough, i did research and i got info but i was...i guess you can say the truth in a blunt way
thank you Brodysmom, the flow chart and links were awesome too, i appreciate the time you took to write all that out.
and he weighs 4.5 lbs. I knew both his parents and both of them were bought in mexico. Both in excellent health and getting getting elderly now..

 

[Kurukulla]

Breeding should only ever be done to improve the breed. Breeding a non registered dog will not
Improve the breed and will therefore just add to the over population of badly bred dogs. A vet would have no clue if your dog was show quality unless they judge or exhibit chihuahuas themselves. Vets have very little knowledge on pregnancy and whelping and even less on breed specifics.

Without his pedigree and a reputable registry holding it you do not know what faults there are behind him, nor if he comes from bigger lines. Buying a female dog to breed to him is just ridiculous there is no way you would know that she is the best match for him and vice versa.

Being a stud handler is NOT easy. Bitches cal snap bite, attack your dog and damage him. If she has a stricture in her vagina would you be able to do an internal and tell? What about if she panics when they tie and freaks out and you have two dogs with genital tears bleeding out?? You have to be able to guide the breeder through the pregnancy and advise on the whelping.

Would you know when the best time to mate a bitch is? Some bitches flag throughout their season?? Not everyon ovulated on the average 9-12 days. Would you be able to advise about progesterone testing, canine herpes, fading puppy syndrome etc? Breeding a bitch who isn't ready or is off the boil is likely to be extremely aggressive and for an unproven or newly proven dog it could stop their stud career.

Breeding a bigger male to a smaller female is just pet breeders rubbish. The size of the puppies comes from both gene pools. You need to know the pedigree of both dogs inside out, what sizes there have been in each litter if they are big dogs. Was the bitches dam a self whelper!

Like brodysmom said personalities change would
You be able to keep your dog in because he will wander if he gets out and smells a bitch in heat, he may challenge other males etc

My personal thought is neuter this dog if you truly want to breed do some more research look at the reasons on why you want to breed (done correctly it Is bank and heart breaking) get yourself a decent breed worthy dog, preferbly show him and make him up. Health test him and get yourself a
Decent mentor.

 

[chihuahuamama101]

Thank you for posting, and like i wrote in previous post, i have decided NOT TO BREED, i had asked a question before i made a decision and yaa..... anyway..

im actually sort of regretful of post here because i am now feeling judged.

.... i will get my dog's bloodwork and stuff like that for my personal knowledge ...
thanks again for the info

p.s. that vet i was talking about IS a reputable chihuahua breeder and has been for the last 40 years... .