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Hi all I tried to do this on the hush hush but I really have no choice. I had gotten Sturgis at 6 months and he had no training whatsoever. I have tried diligently since I had gotten him to stop him from marking. I dont believe in crating animals unless it is for training purposes only. I have gotten him to cut down a great deal and am still on him like a hawk. he also has killer insticts as from what the breeder says he did what the cat did he was raised in a very wooded area. It breaks my heart to let him go he really is a wonderful dog. I just assumed he would be like Daytona, as Daytona was the first male i had ever owned in my life and is not a marker inside the home nor a killer or stalker. I had put Strugis up for sale and had many inquiries and was very honest with the people. then thought what if they cant tolerate it decide to hit him or make him live out his days in a crate. So, I contacted the prior owner and told her the situation and she said she would get back to me in a few days to see what she can do about getting him back that she would keep him. I do know she really didnt want to give him up but it was a matter of finances. I told her take her time he is still very much loved and has his roaming priviliges. I am keeping my fingers crossed that she does take him back as it was so stressful for me to go through applicants who wanted him and the horrible thoughts that went through my head please pray for one of the two things either i can get him to stop marking in the home completely or I have the great fortune of finding him a loving home :cry:

I know now the only male i will ever have is Daytona
 

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now hes 6 months why dont you get him neutered it should either stop or dramatically cut down the marking - why dont you try crating him untilhe is trained ? also it might be due to having another male in the house and he is trying to be top dog, I wish you all the luck in the world :wave:
 

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No I had gotten him at 6 months he is 10 months old now i did do the crate training I have always trained my own dogs and never had a problem. Its also the killer instinct in him I cant stop it. I would have neutered him but my purpose for getting him was to breed and love of course as we still do regardless of his marking. therefore to me he is not breeding material. He was raised in a home in a very wooded area a farm type i believe she said with horses n such He had NO training what so ever. he now knows his bounderies his sit and time for bed. Even when he eats his kibble or a coookie he shakes it like a cat killing or toying with a mouse. I dont want him teaching Lady n Daytona to kill things
 

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ogh right well there is not much can be done for the marking really I dont think - try a water gun for every time you catch him doing it or acting out, maybe try an animal behaviorist :wave:
 

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I have done the water gun thing read books .believe me I have done everything possible short of tying it in a knot lol as for his killer insticts that is something that is in him a dog thinks hes a cat and everything is a mouse. but has killed a bird that by rights should have been able to lift him and take off with him

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sorry i didnt know you had tried everything I just thought you were looking for and ideas to help - sorry good luck with finding him a home hun :wave:
 

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Nope, not me It takes alot for me to accept defeat. Thats whats killingme is I am no quitter and I have done it all accept bring him the behavioralist. although have spoken to some.
 

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well try that and if it doesnt work you know in your heart that you have tried everything , will the breeder mind his behavior? :wave:
 

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sorry to hear, i hope things work out for the best.

it is hard once they start marking, to get it stopped. and as for killing, it's in all dogs really, from their ancestors. even the smallest chihuahua is related to the wolf. and especially if they were "taught" how to stalk.
 

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Sorry to hear of your situation. it must be very hard on you.....but it sounds like you have really tried to change his behaviour, and maybe it just isn't possible .
 

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I am sorry to hear about this! I hope you find him a good home he is just beautiful! How much are you asking for him? And would you ship him? I have a friend looking for a older male, her boy just passed away at 16 years of age. Let me know :)
 

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The previous owner has no problem with it as it is a farm where he came from with horses other dogs and cats He loves to be outside. I am up and down constantly letting him in and out I wont leave him out or them by themselves for a period of time. Me doing the up and down thing all day doesnt bother me at all I dont want them injured or taken so When ever i let them out I am standing there or playing with them and then its a come on guys time to go in and they go in but he would love to remain out. Daytona and Lady are not killers. they will go after a bird or cat and moles but stop they would not intentionaly kill something. I feel so terrible If I had gotten him younger And trained him from then I am sure there would not be a problem. I have had dogs all my life and all the dogs That i had when i was an adult I had a trainer for my rotti any dog following her I trained the same way and never had a problem and she was difficult. Lady I had taken to a class she refused to walk on a leash after several classes I couldnt take her any longer because she still wouldnt walk on a leash. I myself have her walking on a leash now she still isnt to fond of it but I got her to do it. doesnt go potty in the house to trained by me and all had grown to be like Daytona. I have done alot of studying and research on animal behavior . Lady is starting to follow his lead with going after other animals I dont want that to happen I have tried seperating them but all he does is howl. I tell him no I use a can with pennies, I have used a water gun. I have looked him in the eye and when he starts pointed at him and said no. I have had him on his lead and gave a short yank on his harness. I am very consistant. The prior owner is getting a bargain back I have trained him to have manners. I have put so much time into him I have neglected Lady I wanted to get her into showing. Now once I head back home to NY that is my goal to show and i have alot of work cut out for me. I would love to keep him he is very affectionate and loving but do I keep him and spend all my time on him and neglect the others? Do I risk the others picking up his killer insticts? Ihad taken him for a walk with the others and he snapped at a neighbor and her children. I told him NO! picked him up and then they were able to pet him. This is killing me Its like having children and making a choice. Although I can relate to it I have a brother I havent spoken to for years that no matter what shrink he had seen or what pschyc. hospital he was in throughout his life nothing could be doe for him no specialist no medication. he is an adult now and has not changed he is just a cruel, violent, evil person. I recall telling my mother many years ago, mom he is like a mad dog and what do you do when you have a mad dog! I may sound cold but honestly I am a big mush that has a hard exterior. I train my dogs with love no hitting there was enough violance in my upbringing. :cry: :cry: :cry:

KJ please respond to the email TY :)


AND no it is not true if a male dog has bred it will mark. They must be trained between 6 - 12 weeks for potty that is the ideal time. As I said I know if i had gotten him sooner I would not have this problem
 

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He needs someone who will Have all the time in the world for him at this point. Ihave gotten him to leave her alone when he nudges LAdy when i say off or leave her or him alone, sit, some stay, I cant work on the rest of his commands if I am also try to instill everything else. I know he has great potential for training. ITs just that as I said I got him at 6 months and its been four. I still have to work with Lady. he gets along very well with Datyona and Lady. But I have been neglecting them and some other priority issues to watch him like a hawk. I have taken him to the doggie park. he is still very much loved and cared for. I just have too many other priorities I just regret getting him as old as he was. It would have been so much easier then and he would have also learned from Daytona. I thought I was getting a ball of fur he was 6 months if you all recall when I had first gotten him When I first had gotten pics of him enroute I didnt even know it was the same pup because he was so big. It was too late then he was already on his way and i fell inlove with his pics
 

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You dont have a 'mad dog'. Just one thats showing normal animals instincts thats all. Just crate train him with regards to him marking.
 
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