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Hi ladies, I'm starting to get irrational (or maybe not) fears about my 3 babies being attacked whilst I'm out walking them, particularly by a loose dog without its owner wandering at large etc.

I don't know if this stems from the last time I took my 2 gentle giant Mastiffs to the Dog Park when my boy was attacked by a hideous Staffy that always runs around like a dog possessed snapping, snarling and jumping agressively on everything non-stop for hours ... I expressed concerns to other attendees and they were all, "Oh, that's just Jack, LOL, he's harmless, don't worry abot him" and I replied, "His behaviour is definitely NOT harmless imo & the owner is an irresponsible fool for bringing him into this environment, you people may think it's ok but I do NOT!" - the regular 2 legged's are incredibly tight-knight down there so I knew once my comment got around I'd never be part of the clique, but really didn't give a hoot.

Some weeks later I was at the park alone with my two Mastiffs & 12yo son, and this "demented thing" arrived ... he immediately attacked my Mastiff boy on entry who did not respond at all, simply tried to run away but, as he did, it's owner's boyfriend started viciously laying his work boot into my innocent boy's side slamming him repeatedly into the chainwire fence. I was like a woman possessed and was literally going to tear him limb from limb (or leave him "fixed") but in the midst of my hollaring I had a coughing fit that my words wouldn't come out & I was totally debilitated. They left hurriedly, him hurling horrific abuse the whole time.

So, I'll never go to that Dog Park (or any other) with my Chi's, cannot/will not risk going to the off-leash beach with them - a strong gym junkie aquaintance showed me his smashed up knuckles from beating a Staffy's head that was killing his mini-poodle for <>5 mins.

I've always had the dog that others have feared as the agressor, Akita Inu, Dobes, Mastiffs etc. and have only ever had one incident on my own property when the visitor admitted full liability for their own stupidity (Akita tried to kill her mini Daschund pup she was NOT allowed to bring to the stables, she threw herself on top of Akita whereby he all but took her ear off).

After seeing that, the guy's knuckles and what happened at the dog park, I'm too afraid to even do a lap around the block and although I think I may be being irrational, my fear is waking me at night. I've got a triple coupler coming so at least they'll all be in one tight knit group and was thinking of carrying a strong hardwood club with me (horrific, but warranted if we are attacked, I'll fight to the end to save my kids). Then I get terrified and think I can't scoop up all 3 at once and fend off a feral attacker.

I see no way at all to overcome this fear and it saddens me more than I can say to think my kids are going to have to spend their lives on my own property or going for car rides to nowhere :( We have NO playgroups or get togethers here, none at all so they're being socialised with friends puppies atm.

Have you had a trouble free run or a full of incidents time when street walking? P.S. Woah, sorry for the loooong post, but I felt I needed to give you some background into my state of mind on this.
 

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I do t think you irrational at all, and if a man put his work boot into my dogs ribs i would have put mine up his ***! I have a taser that i take with me. If its night time i take my 357 since i am a female walking alone at night. Maybe try getting a taser or something. It legal to have and ot will only shock the hell out of them and not kill them.
 

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For me its really, really hard to walk 3 dogs at the same time. i tried one of those couplers for 2 dogs once and it didnt work out.
i know its my fault. i could of trained my dogs better to walk by my heal, but they get all tangled if i walk 3 at once.
If i'm taking them for a walk i will leave two or three behind and just take one or two
 

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Pepper Spray, Tasers, Hangun would all see me jailed for varying lengths of time :(

If I can't take all, I'll probably never take any. They all start their training in Puppia harnesses at the same time so I don't expect there'll be walking with decorum problems in the main - I'm tossing up whether to buy a 4" or a 12" coupler - the 4" is listed for small breeds but, frankly, I can't see how that isn't going to squish them all shoulder to shoulder like sardines - anyone ever used one of these please and what length is it?
 

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I have a great place to take my chis here, a large state park with fields, water, woodland trails for hiking. They love it and we have never had a problem. There are snakes, coyotes, hawks as well as bigger dogs but we have never had a bad experience and to me the benefits outweigh the risks. All dogs there are loose, there is a dog park area but we always walk and hike the trails. I'm happy to have them socialize with whoever they meet while walking, but I don't feel totally comfortable with them running around in a big group of mostly large or huge dogs. Especially having three, I can't monitor them all safely with so many other dogs in proximity. We have never had an issue with the many pita, boxers, mastiffs etc that we meet off leash on the trails, all have always been friendly towards them and I think me being comfortable with the larger dogs make mine feel more confident. I have no idea what the dogs are like in your area, not to mention the wildlife. I wouldn't take your chis and your big dogs out together when it's just you, that's too many to look out for at once for one person. If you don't have a place to take them where you feel comfortable, confident and safe (frankly your park doesn't sound like somewhere I'd take even a big dog!) offleash then don't, but to me it isn't fair to keep them totally shut in. What about nature trails, hiking trails etc where you can have them all leashed and there will be plenty of people biking, running whatever without dogs?
As for couplers, I walk Leo and Miley on a coupler in one hand and Reese on his own with the other. You do not want a super lozng coupler, they will be constantly tangled up and jerking one another around. I don't have mine in hand, I would guess it's about 6 inches, which means they can get 12 inches apart, enough to potty but not enough that they're pulling each other around. I wouldn't go longer than that, 4 inches is probably plenty.
 

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Sorry for your bad experience Di. I completely understand as we have been attacked by a loose dog in the neighborhood a couple of times. Now I carry a HUGE can of police mace if I do walk. Unfortunate these experiences leave such a bad taste that we rarely walk the neighborhood. Even though we have a leash law, everyone here is so laxidasical they just blow you off & let their dogs misbehave. I have called animal control several times on the owners...they do take it serious.
Now we mainly go to the public park ( never our dog park as it is yuck as well) and just walk there. It is beautiful, other dogs ARE on leash, lots of kids playing sports, runners etc...it gives the pups great stimulation and allows me to train them to behave in such chaos ( other times it can be very peaceful and quiet which is nice too).
I am very lucky that my hubby fenced our yard in very secure and planted grass. Now they can run, play & romp right here too.
I sure hope you find a solution. :)
 

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Oh, another suggestion for walking chis safely: cemeteries. It sounds weird, but we have a cemetery right next to our subdivision and it is lovely for long walks, rolling hills, tall shady trees and of course peaceful! We usually encounter a few runners or walkers and occasionally another leashed dog. And it is totally fenced in. Maybe there are some in your area to check out with the chis.
 

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Itz hard for me to walk my dogs as well specially in my area as they beleive in the "no leash law", so what i do is take them to the back yard and play with them and let em run (mind you we have a x large bkyard). If i go for a walk with them i try 2 do it at hours when its not so crowded at the lake, but i do panic if i see a dog running lose and usually just make sure i keep em close 2 me, the only place i let them run lose is in my large bkyard and infront when i take em 2 go potty. I would totally carry something if i were you and i dont blame you for wanting to protect your babies.
 

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I like the idea of carrying pepper spray! That would get any vicious animal away - or at least get them to stop so you can get your baby away! I'm always so paranoid about my little Ote hitting her head. There's reasoning behind it - a large soft spot & she has a history of hitting her head on things with somewhat bad outcomes. But I am always way to "restrictive" on her playtime! I hate even letting her run up and down the stairs! LOL. A "strict mom" I suppose. Hope your babies stay safe on their walks! Ever thought of getting a stroller? It'd be more for keeping the "bad dogs" out than keeping your baby in, in your case! But it may be worth it!
 

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I am a big believer in walks, I think all dogs need and want them. With that said there are a lot of people around here who totally disregard the leash laws and have no idea that their dogs are dog aggressive. Knowing that my dogs are small and could not fend for themselves in any way I too carry pepper spray. I have never had to use it but just knowing that if a big dog looking not so friendly came my way I would not be hesitant to spray it. If you are timid about pepper spray or it is illegal in your area you could always carry cirtonella. I don't know that it would stop a really dog aggressive dog in full obsession mode but it certainly would help in most cases. I keep the mace attached to my leash with my poop bag holder.

As far as dog parks I totally avoid them, unless they are empty. At least in our area there are too many dog owners who are absolutely irresponsible.

In the end though you have to get out there and enjoy life. With that comes some risks, but if you take the necessary precautions and use common sense you probably will be ok.
 

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It is not irrational to take precautions to keep you and your pups safe but what stood out to me in your post is that your fears wake you up at night. The incident at the dog park was horribly frightening and your post makes me wonder if you are suffering from some post- traumatic stress. Do you think that you need to talk to your doctor? Essentially what happened is that an act of violence was committed on a family member right in front of you. I would consider being evaluated by a professional if I were you.
 

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Hmm, as I said Pepper Spray, Mace or any other spray remotely resembling such things is highly illegal here, but I think I'd rather use it and take the consequences afterwards to be honest - not like they're going to lock up a little old lady for defending her dogs' lives!

I think I'll ask a friend to grab me some next time they travel overseas, hopefully it's available in Asia, lots of friends travel there regularly for holidays. Mind you, I was standing right close by a Policeman once when he tried to spray someone at point blank range with a Police issue can of pepper spray, and it totally failed to operate even though it was brand new - the look on his face as he kept trying was priceless.

MiniGrace, no I don't think it's a case of PTS, have had many, many events in my life that would've given me a severe dose of that condition if I was going to get it, but have managed not to thus far (according to medicos). Being exposed to various events has made me over cautious in certain areas though.
 

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Sorry this has happened. I carry citronella spray key chain thing with me when I walk my little ones.
 

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Hmm, as I said Pepper Spray, Mace or any other spray remotely resembling such things is highly illegal here, but I think I'd rather use it and take the consequences afterwards to be honest - not like they're going to lock up a little old lady for defending her dogs' lives!
Citronella is legal I am sure. It is sold as a bark corrector, so it would be easy to find. Or I bet a bear horn would do the trick too (don't know if you can find one though, no grizzlies down there right?)
 

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I don't think you're being irrational at all. We had a big lab puppy run at Nike inside Petsmart of all places. I just get between them and pick her up as fast as I can, but I can understand that's not an option with 3. I don't know about the pepper spray suggestion, but maybe carry a button opening umbrella? I heard those work :) kind of startles them coz it looks big!
 

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MiniGrace, no I don't think it's a case of PTS, have had many, many events in my life that would've given me a severe dose of that condition if I was going to get it, but have managed not to thus far (according to medicos). Being exposed to various events has made me over cautious in certain areas though.[/QUOTE]

I 'm glad it's not PTS. What you described with the dogs would give me nightmares - I shudder to think you have endured worse. You are a tough lady! ;)


I don't think you're being irrational at all. We had a big lab puppy run at Nike inside Petsmart of all places. I just get between them and pick her up as fast as I can, but I can understand that's not an option with 3. I don't know about the pepper spray suggestion, but maybe carry a button opening umbrella? I heard those work :) kind of startles them coz it looks big!
I have never thought of the umbrella idea. That's a great idea.
 

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I was considering starting a little dog meetup in my area, because there's nothing here like that either. Would you consider doing something like that? It might be a good way for your dogs to get socialization with dogs closer to their size, as well as building your confidence a little bit.

I don't think you're being irrational at all, by the way. I have two horror stories from a friend and relative that I won't share, but both involved a chihuahua and a bigger dog. Where we live, there's a dog park that has a smaller space fenced off for little dogs only, which is great, but even some smaller dogs are way too big to play with Odie. It's not that they're necessarily aggressive or untrustworthy, they just play way too rough. I like the umbrella idea!
 

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I 'm glad it's not PTS. What you described with the dogs would give me nightmares - I shudder to think you have endured worse. You are a tough lady! ;)
Watching my Dad administer CPR to my soulmate fiance for 30+ minutes whilst holding my 13 week old baby and waiting for the ambulance that got lost twice get to our farm was the worst, most unimaginably traumatic thing I've ever endured. The quad bike he was riding crashed off an embankment, into a creek and came to rest on top of him. David passed away, no thanks to the Ambulance officer who was actually disciplined through their own court marshall type system for about 27? breaches from memory.
 
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