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Things to look out for when buying a new puppy

Puppy mills- puppy mills are unethical they breed dogs purely for profit. Puppies bought from a puppy mill are likely to be unsocialized and may have temperament problems, as well as medical problems. Buying a puppy from a puppy mill supplies the cash to keep the puppy mill going. So if your tempted to buy a puppy mill puppy out of sympathy, don't you will be responsible for providing the profits to keep the mill going.
Puppy mills often try to disguise themselves as responsible breeders, as they know any other way the potential buyer would run a mile. To spot a potential puppy mill look out for people who have a large number of puppies available, remember an average chi litter is only about 3 pups. Also be wary if they also sell other breeds of dogs. When you go to visit the puppy ask to see the parents, the sire may have bin a stud but there is no excuse for not being able to show you the dam.

When meeting puppy and parent(s)- Be wary if the pups and dam seem overly timid or aggressive, its normal for the dam to be wary when you first enter the house. Check to see how the dam is with the owner, if she is timid or aggressive even with them, then its usually a very bad sign, remember puppy mill dogs are often kept in cages with little socialization.
With the puppies check for sign of bad health, check for fleas, runny eyes or discharge in the ears. Use your nose too, as you will be able to tell from this how the puppies are kept, and if the puppies smell too nice (eg shampoo) then also be suspicious as there is usually no need to wash young puppies.

check the living quarters Ask to see where the puppies are kept, lots of cages, smell and dirt obviously a very bad sign. However do not be put off if the dam is kept in a cage/crate with the pups, as chihuahuas are often crate trained and kept there for their own safety

Ask questions and expect questions in return- a good breeder will know there stuff and should be able to answer all your questions.
Things you should ask the breeder include-
-What age are the willing to let the puppies go?-be wary of any one selling pups below the age of 10 weeks.
-Will the puppies be wormed and vaccinated?- the puppies should have bin wormed and also possible have had their first vaccination. The breeder should tell you when you should next worm and vaccinate the puppy.
-How is the breeder socializing the puppies?- early its normal for the pups to remain only with the dam, but then the breeder should take steps to socialize the puppies with humans.
-Ask the breeder about themselves- how long have they been breeding? how may litters a year do they have, how many dogs do they own?, be wary of signs of a puppy mill
A good breeder will want to ask you question, if they care about their puppies they'll care who gets them.

Buying puppies on the Internet- People who are desperately seeking a puppy can get over excited when they think they've found one, which makes them a good target for con artists. Remember you don't actually know anything about the person, they could have given you a false name and address and could easily disappear when you give them a deposit or actually pay for the pup. These people will usually want to ship the pups, so that you have to pay first.

Please ad to this post any other advice you have, aswell as any cons, puppymils or bad breeders out there that you are aware of

Edited 1/14/2010 to add a few good links to check out
http://www.phouka.com/dogs/bdr_irres.html
http://www.phouka.com/dogs/bdr_questions.html
http://www.phouka.com/dogs/bdr_owner.html
 

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thats great mia.. THANKS :wave:
Also watch out for people trying to raise the price on a pup by calling it a TEACUP, RARE, HANDBAG PUP, DESIGNER DOG, and all those other fancy words just to sell a chi at a higher price to a vunerable buyer who hasnt rersearched the breed and our desperate for a pup. :wave:
 

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Well darn, i guess Jolie came from a puppy mill. This lady is in her 50's and she takes care of her invalid mother who had Alzheimer's. The puppy business is her income. There were 3 dogs loose in the yard when i arrived the day i got Jolie. All were different breeds. One was a pit bulldog who was a little shy but friendly. One was a miniature gray hound and i don't remember what the other was but not chi. There was a long hair chi in the house and the g-hound came in when we went inside. Right by the front door was a small building with a small fenced area out the front. There were about 10 chis who came out of the building to bark at me. The building did have a air conditioner in the window. They all looked healthy though.
There was an old dairy barn close by and i suspect that's where most of her dogs are housed although i didn't ask. The puppy i came to see was already in the house, cleaned up and smelling good. i knew right away that puppy was not the personality i was looking for plus she just didn't look like her pic and i asked to see #4, then #1,,,,i ended up looking at all the pups in the litter except the male (there were 4 females) I knew right away that Jolie was the one. Jolie hadn't been bathed and they bathed her for me. We went over her shot record, worming record and what she had been feeding her. She gave me enough food to last until could buy some and told me if i wanted to change her food how to go about it without upsetting Jolie's tummy. She showed me the exact puppy shot Jolie had been given and i wrote down the information. She explained that she didn't usually let puppies go until 8 weeks but she guessed it would be ok. (Jolie was actually 7wks 2 days) I took Jolie the following Monday to my vet for a "well puppy" check up. She had no worms and was perfect in all ways, I.E. no hernias.

Other things: She has several different breeds of puppies for sale. I didn't see any of them but i know because i've seen her ad. Neither of Jolie's parents were available for me to see. She said that they both belong to her son and he had already taken them back to his home. She also told me(because i asked) that her son would not be breeding the female back to the same male next time. It made me think that she possibly bought this litter from an individual to resale but of course i don't know that. All in all, i am being selfish when i say that i'm glad she had Jolie and i was able to find her, no matter the circumstances because i love this little girl like you would not believe. I love her like a child, my child. There is one puppy left in that litter for sale and i emailed the seller telling her how much i loved Jolie and noticed she still had one that had not been bought by someone. I went on to say that i wished i could buy her and bring her home to love but that i just couldn't afford another puppy but that i hoped she would get a home soon. The lady emailed me back and said the puppy will probably sell, but if she doesn't, then they will just make a breeder out of her. That just makes me sad and i think about that puppy every day and go to the site where she is to see if she's still there. poor little baby. :cry:
 

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JOLIE'SMOM said:
Well darn, i guess Jolie came from a puppy mill. This lady is in her 50's and she takes care of her invalid mother who had Alzheimer's. The puppy business is her income. There were 3 dogs loose in the yard when i arrived the day i got Jolie. All were different breeds. One was a pit bulldog who was a little shy but friendly. One was a miniature gray hound and i don't remember what the other was but not chi. There was a long hair chi in the house and the g-hound came in when we went inside. Right by the front door was a small building with a small fenced area out the front. There were about 10 chis who came out of the building to bark at me. The building did have a air conditioner in the window. They all looked healthy though.
There was an old dairy barn close by and i suspect that's where most of her dogs are housed although i didn't ask. The puppy i came to see was already in the house, cleaned up and smelling good. i knew right away that puppy was not the personality i was looking for plus she just didn't look like her pic and i asked to see #4, then #1,,,,i ended up looking at all the pups in the litter except the male (there were 4 females) I knew right away that Jolie was the one. Jolie hadn't been bathed and they bathed her for me. We went over her shot record, worming record and what she had been feeding her. She gave me enough food to last until could buy some and told me if i wanted to change her food how to go about it without upsetting Jolie's tummy. She showed me the exact puppy shot Jolie had been given and i wrote down the information. She explained that she didn't usually let puppies go until 8 weeks but she guessed it would be ok. (Jolie was actually 7wks 2 days) I took Jolie the following Monday to my vet for a "well puppy" check up. She had no worms and was perfect in all ways, I.E. no hernias.

Other things: She has several different breeds of puppies for sale. I didn't see any of them but i know because i've seen her ad. Neither of Jolie's parents were available for me to see. She said that they both belong to her son and he had already taken them back to his home. She also told me(because i asked) that her son would not be breeding the female back to the same male next time. It made me think that she possibly bought this litter from an individual to resale but of course i don't know that. All in all, i am being selfish when i say that i'm glad she had Jolie and i was able to find her, no matter the circumstances because i love this little girl like you would not believe. I love her like a child, my child. There is one puppy left in that litter for sale and i emailed the seller telling her how much i loved Jolie and noticed she still had one that had not been bought by someone. I went on to say that i wished i could buy her and bring her home to love but that i just couldn't afford another puppy but that i hoped she would get a home soon. The lady emailed me back and said the puppy will probably sell, but if she doesn't, then they will just make a breeder out of her. That just makes me sad and i think about that puppy every day and go to the site where she is to see if she's still there. poor little baby. :cry:
ow thats terrible, at least your little Jolie is in a safe and loving home with you! Its terrible when you hear stories about dogs being in barns and stuff :shock:
My breeder is 80 years old, though I dont beleive it for one minute because it just cant be possible she doesnt act/look it or anything, but anyway Ill take her word for it. She has 15 chis but will not have no more as the I asked her why she didnt want to keep a boy from the litter and she said OW NO I cant have anymore I have more than enough. She not over crowded and all dogs are kept in her home, its well kept and not messy at all. She only keeps the really little pups (hence why she has so many chis now) unless they are going to great home. Some people say a lady that breeds and has 15 chis must be a puppy mill/farm but shes not, if your in her home you can honestly see they are her babies as she has no family/friends. She told me she gets NO PROFIT and breeds to improve the breed and for the love of the breed. Usually her 6lb female has about 2 pups and the ceserian on her female if her pelvis is too small costs about the price of chi pup with all the care ect... She has one papillion and one pekinese aswell but no other breeds and they are not bred.
I wish though their was inspectors that secretly went out and inspected all suspected puppy mills and farms especially people who advertise off of the internet, Its such a big world and you never know who these people your buying off are. Im so glad Jolie is doing well with you! :wave:
 

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Thank you so much for this. I joined this forum to make sure that I can be well informed before I get my new little princess. This was greatly appreciated. Oh, and I am glad that Jolie is well and now has a wonderful home!! :p
 

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JOLIE'SMOM said:
Well darn, i guess Jolie came from a puppy mill. This lady is in her 50's and she takes care of her invalid mother who had Alzheimer's. The puppy business is her income. There were 3 dogs loose in the yard when i arrived the day i got Jolie. All were different breeds. One was a pit bulldog who was a little shy but friendly. One was a miniature gray hound and i don't remember what the other was but not chi. There was a long hair chi in the house and the g-hound came in when we went inside. Right by the front door was a small building with a small fenced area out the front. There were about 10 chis who came out of the building to bark at me. The building did have a air conditioner in the window. They all looked healthy though.
There was an old dairy barn close by and i suspect that's where most of her dogs are housed although i didn't ask. The puppy i came to see was already in the house, cleaned up and smelling good. i knew right away that puppy was not the personality i was looking for plus she just didn't look like her pic and i asked to see #4, then #1,,,,i ended up looking at all the pups in the litter except the male (there were 4 females) I knew right away that Jolie was the one. Jolie hadn't been bathed and they bathed her for me. We went over her shot record, worming record and what she had been feeding her. She gave me enough food to last until could buy some and told me if i wanted to change her food how to go about it without upsetting Jolie's tummy. She showed me the exact puppy shot Jolie had been given and i wrote down the information. She explained that she didn't usually let puppies go until 8 weeks but she guessed it would be ok. (Jolie was actually 7wks 2 days) I took Jolie the following Monday to my vet for a "well puppy" check up. She had no worms and was perfect in all ways, I.E. no hernias.

Other things: She has several different breeds of puppies for sale. I didn't see any of them but i know because i've seen her ad. Neither of Jolie's parents were available for me to see. She said that they both belong to her son and he had already taken them back to his home. She also told me(because i asked) that her son would not be breeding the female back to the same male next time. It made me think that she possibly bought this litter from an individual to resale but of course i don't know that. All in all, i am being selfish when i say that i'm glad she had Jolie and i was able to find her, no matter the circumstances because i love this little girl like you would not believe. I love her like a child, my child. There is one puppy left in that litter for sale and i emailed the seller telling her how much i loved Jolie and noticed she still had one that had not been bought by someone. I went on to say that i wished i could buy her and bring her home to love but that i just couldn't afford another puppy but that i hoped she would get a home soon. The lady emailed me back and said the puppy will probably sell, but if she doesn't, then they will just make a breeder out of her. That just makes me sad and i think about that puppy every day and go to the site where she is to see if she's still there. poor little baby. :cry:
I myself am a breeder and I think it's heartbreaking when people do things like this to ANY animal. Their totally dependant on you for love and they wouldn't understand why you weren't loving them as you should! I'm so pleased to hear you have rescued you puppy, and that she is safe at home with you. All my babies live in the home with me and I also breed cats who they adore. My vet live less than a mile up the road and I can call him and 3am if I need to. Breeding for profit is cruel, making a profit at the end of working hard to provide the world with happy, healthy and wonderful dogs is not but believe me you can tell a good breeder because their the ones that spend all the money they would be able to keep as profit on making their dogs happy and healthy. I'm proud to breed my animals and if I thought doing it was ever EVER going to hurt them in any way, every single one would be spayed/neutered and live at home with me as my pets. Its like saying your children aren't yours any more just because they have children of their own. My chis are still my pets and always will be no matter what!
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Oh thank you for this great advice. I am just starting out to look for my first chi & I am well aware of what a puppy mill is but with your great tips especially the bath one, I feel like I have a lot to learn
thank you again
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I myself am a breeder and I think it's heartbreaking when people do things like this to ANY animal. Their totally dependant on you for love and they wouldn't understand why you weren't loving them as you should! I'm so pleased to hear you have rescued you puppy, and that she is safe at home with you. All my babies live in the home with me and I also breed cats who they adore. My vet live less than a mile up the road and I can call him and 3am if I need to. Breeding for profit is cruel, making a profit at the end of working hard to provide the world with happy, healthy and wonderful dogs is not but believe me you can tell a good breeder because their the ones that spend all the money they would be able to keep as profit on making their dogs happy and healthy. I'm proud to breed my animals and if I thought doing it was ever EVER going to hurt them in any way, every single one would be spayed/neutered and live at home with me as my pets. Its like saying your children aren't yours any more just because they have children of their own. My chis are still my pets and always will be no matter what!
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I totally agree with you. I know some body with a chi mix they got from somebody who couldn't keep him anymore so now my friend wants to use the dog as stud service and I'm said you shouldn't do that with a mix breed because there are already too many backyard breeders and such and for one its not like they went out and bought the dog. The dogs really sweet but his owner is a real asshole. He thinks he is doing good by him by letting him breed but I serioiusly think dogs are like children and really don't consciously know what is going on when their doing it. I mean I'm not saying its wrong to let them mate but irresponsible for people to breeding for a profit. I know the guys parents and they have three chihuahuas now and I look at them and I'm thinking they shouldn't be breeding them. One is too old the other had complications and they ended up sending the pups to the shelter since the mom couldn't support them. Some actually disappered from their backyard and they live right next to a busy Highway. It really ticks me off to know some people thinks thats fine. I mean if I couldn't control my urge to mate I think I would want to get spayed...or neutered.
 

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My breeder has several dames but one sire. Each dame is in a clean, warm and safe environment with their own pups she does not allow any pups to leave the mother until 12 weeks and one week eating solid food..usually 13 weeks. I thought this was a good environment for breeding. Was I wrong?
 
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I know that Bailey didn't come from a great breeder, and we won't be going back to them when we get another Chi.

The breeder's were young, early 20's. They didn't let us in the house (but we could see it was on the dirty side), Bailey was brought out to us on the porch. We did meet his mom, who was already pregnant again, Bailey and his siblings were supposedly 5 weeks (they say, but we think they were younger) at that time! They had said his siblings were taken at 4 weeks.... WAY TOO EARLY to be away from their mom, which we later found out from the vet that Bailey was too young at that time too. :(

He was stinky all over and had lots of crud in his ears, they had him on cheap crappy food and his breath stank!!! We decided even though they wanted $200 for him, it was better that we take him home and try to give him a decent life!

We have no idea what his dad looks like, anything about their temperaments etc. We didn't do a lot of research about breeders etc before we got Bailey. I know so much more now, thanks to this site, so we are better prepared for our next addition. I don't regret bringing Bailey home, we really believe we saved him. I worry and wonder about his siblings.... *sighs*. :(
 

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aw baileysmom... :( it's okay! you gave bailey a great home with lots of toys ;) we are all too excited sometimes to do research when it comes to getting a dog! :) i bet they were breeding for the money though which is horrible :|
 
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