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So Poppy has hit 6 months - and I have decided to let her have a season before she is spayed - I have thought long and hard about this, but the upshot is that she is still just 2lbs 14 oz and I really feel that she needs every bit of growth she can get and the bigger she is heading into a spay the better. The vet said he would be much happier if she had a season first due to her size. I'm not sure how much more she will grow - but every bit is a help :)

The two lads are neutered - so I am just wondering what to expect :confused:

Will they still be interested in her? Do I need to keep them away from her?
Will she drive them nuts - flirting around them? Do females stop growing after their first season? Any information and hints gratefully received!!
 

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Ok, here's what I know from past experience with an intact frenchie girl ....

She bled like a woman! I was not expecting the blood. Bright red and dripping out of her. When I first saw it, I thought she was dying. Then when I realized what it was, I cried anyway. LOL.

(Chi's are little and some hardly swell and have very little drainage. Just telling you my experience with Piper, which would be "worst case scenario".)

She acted like a hussy! She was mainly just grouchy and out of sorts for the first few days. Preoccupied with licking herself, sighing alot, not wanting to play. Then about 10 days in (when she was fertile), she became a bad girl! :) She would back up into the cat, our other dog, anything and present herself, lift her tail to the side and brace her back legs and then back up. Like BREED ME! BREED ME NOW!

Her lady parts blew up HUGE. Like a plum, no joke. It was very gross looking. Like those yucky baboons you see at the zoo. (The swelling does go away for the most part afterward, but not completely).

She acted like she had to go outside to pee ALL THE TIME. And she would walk a step and squat. Then walk a few more steps and dribble. It's like "marking". She wants to spread her scent everywhere so that more dogs will smell her. I'm telling you - bad bad girl! ;)

Over the next few weeks the swelling and drainage slowed down. I would say she was actually in season for almost a month.

Then..... she had a false pregnancy. Even though she was never bred. Even though she never even SAW a male dog. She got very sad and moody and depressed. Gained weight. Started carrying around a toy and would whine all the time. After about a month of this, she even got breast enlargement and produced MILK! It was a real mess to deal with. Mainly because she was just so darn unhappy. Once we specialied her at the dog shows a few months (and saw she wasn't going to consistently beat the boys), she was spayed. What a relief.

Your questions... will your neutered boys still be interested in her? I didn't have a boy, so can't answer that for myself - but from what I've read - YES. They can even TIE with her. Since she's so little, be careful (especially with Biggles) as I've heard of girls being hurt or even crushed to death by larger over eager boys who mount them and squish them down and won't let them get up. :(

So yes, I would keep them away from her just to be safe.

Piper flirted her head off. It got really old.

Piper did grow a little bit more after her season. She filled out more, her chest deepened and she got more muscle mass. Looked less puppy like.

Good luck! I'm sure the Chi people will chime in with their experiences.
 

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Crikey !!!!!!!!!!!! What am I letting myself in for :)
Oh Jane, I told you it was worst case scenario!!! She will probably be fine!! Just a tiny bit of blood, and you won't even notice!! Piper was a MESS but that doesn't mean that sweet Poppy will be too. ;)

But.... forewarned if forearmed. LOL.
 

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Also, not to scare you, but remember what happened to Zoey..... she had the same advice, let her grow up and have a season and then spay her and she got pyometra and almost died. So just be aware of anything amiss during and after the season.... drainage turning to pus, soreness in her belly, fever, anything at all - and have her checked out.

Oh my... I've probably scared you to death now. That was NOT my intention. I'm sure that Poppy will breeze through her season and do perfectly! :)
 

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Yes I experienced this recently.:rolleyes: My vet advocates one season before spaying and Adam (neutered) managed to tie 3 times despite me thinking I was being careful watching them. It only took them about 5mins alone to do the deed!!Filthy little so and so's!!LOL
At least it was only about a week when they were sex obsessed. After that Adam lost interest in Heidi even when she flirted madly with him..I dont know if thats the norm??
 

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My pup went through a season, and it was similar to what Brodysmom went through, minus the false pregnancy and depression.

My dog's genitalia blew up huge, and she started bleeding a bit and I thought she was dying or something. (I had never had an unspayed dog before, it came as quite a shock). I called up one of my best friends who is a vet and was freaking out over the phone, and she laughed at me and then clued me in. I felt a little sheepish after that, but it was a good learning experience.

After awhile it seemed like Elliot went nuts, and kept humping the cat non stop! She would pin him down, and go to town. It was funny to watch, and fortunately she quit that after awhile.

Also, her lady parts never went back to normal size. They seemed to just get stuck at a slightly puffier size.
 

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Jane.. could you post your experience when she goes into season?? My vet is adamant Daisy has to have hers before he spays her (its his rule of thumb for all dogs.. but whatever!!) and i would be really intrigued to know!! I thought she was going into season the other week but apparently not!! THANK GOD!!

Tracy - you've put the fear of god up me and made me laugh all in the same post!! ha
 

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Well i mine all become stroppy when in season with only small amounts of blood but they are very clean about themselves!

The boys in my house go mad but only for a wk

I have had experience with a girl going through a false pregnancy on her first season which was frightening but she came through it fine with the help of us!
She has never had pups and she is over two now and everytime we have a litter she tries to mother them even producing milk (vet says she is fine though)

If you need help with poppy when the time comes you can phone me Jane or contact me i am always glad too help with questions!!

saoirse
 

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Tracy pretty much covered it all, with the addition of watch for pyo. The amount of discharge is different for each dog. Just be prepared for a mess and if you don't get one, that's gravy. They do make small bitch britches that would help. I'd recommend keeping the boys seperate, as they can tie in an instant, and could hurt her. Some neutered males could care less. Some are all over them. And some fight over the girl, so watch for changes in the boys between themselves too. The britches don't keep a tie from happening so don't rely on that if you get them. False pregancy isn't the end of the world but they can be moody. Most scary is the pyometra. That's generally 30+ days out, so be on the watch for change in behavior, appetite, any discharge, swelling, tenderness in the abdomen, fever, etc.

Generally, from 6 months to 18 months, they might gain another 1/2 - 1 pound, depending on the dog and the lineage. Since she's a tiny, I'd think a good guess would be maybe another 1/2 pound...but that's over the course of another year and possibly 2 more heat cycles.
 

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Jane, this is only my personal experience, which has been limited to 2 unspayed girls with my neutered boys thru the years.. The bleeding was minimal with my chi girls, so not much of a mess. I learned the hard way that some neutered males will still purse and tie. (Actually, only one of mine, Neko! It happened only once.) The other neutered boys were not interested. I may have learned the hard way, but I learned.. now any females in season are separated from the boys for about a week. I hope your experience is not a difficult one.. Blessings, Deb
 

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Thanks everyone for giving me straight answers :)

Saoirse, I know you are always at the end of a telephone for me - you are fantastic!! If I could fit another chi in my house - I would so take your new little ones, they are gorgeous!

Deb - a lovely response!

Buuuut!! I am seriously beginning to wonder what I am at - I suppose I am a bit scared that my vet - who has no other chis on his books is nervous of spaying her - and that scares me !!!!!

So I have done a lot of research and found another vet who I would be very comfortable with- all the Irish and UK people will know her, she was on Animal Hospital with Rolf Harris - all those years ago, her name is Bairbre O'Malley, she is a real specialist, she operates on all kinds of animals Big and little - if you look at her "day in the life" tab on her home page she describes operating on a gold fish!! She is also a senior lecturer in the largest vet course in Ireland.
http://www.veterinary.ie/

I am going to ring her tomorrow morning and see if I can make an appointment.

The thoughts of Biggles (who is about 14 lbs) tying with her or pyometra and then the possible sleepless nights with the lads howling to get at her etc etc etc really does not rock my boat!!

As ever - thanks everyone for your great posts and I will let you know how I get on with Bairbre!!!
 

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Jane, I'm so glad you found this vet and are willing to go meet her and her staff. From the veterinary side, I know that surgery can be safely done on your wee one but it's especially important for you to be as stressfree from the procedure as well. Let me reassure you that a dr that can treat hamsters, rabbits, and birds is extremely qualified to perform a safe spay on your baby under 3 pounds. The anesthetic needs of these species are very specific and the time limits and delicacy of the surgery means that will translate into an outstanding vet for your Chi baby. I am thrilled that you have found so qualified a surgeon. I'm keeping my fingers crossed that the vet, staff, and hospital are as wonderful as they appear online. If so, I'd definately get that spay scheduled prior to her spay....if you are comfortable with it. You may be right about your current vet. Vets that don't have a lot of experience with littles ones often hesitate more to perform any type of surgery...and with a routine one like a spay, they can postpone it longer. If I read your post right and yours is the only wee one, or one of a very few, you are absolutely correct to search for a new vet. Totally worth the drive. Best of luck to you. Please let us know how the visit goes, good or bad. I'm almost as anxious as you are. vbg
 

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As long as they are experienced with the "tinier" ones, I would be less nervous. After what a Vet that wasn't experienced with tinies did to my Chancey Bear, I have a major fear with that. I'm sure most saw the pics of his "Butcher Job." Just do your research. :)
 

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Jane, that vet looks amazing!! If she can operate on a goldfish, I would be confident she will do a great job on little Poppy. :)
 
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